Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Lincoln statue

Lincoln Statue

Lincoln Statue

A thumbnail of the original, unaltered image.

Cropped, noise-reduced, converted to monochrome.

User:MosheA asked me to nominate this candidate for delisting since he didn't know how to.

Reasons: Too blurry, and again, not very alluring

• Neutral --Fir0002 09:00, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
• delist It is very dark there, but anyone with a tripod and Cannon 5/10/20/30D could get a much better picture. -Ravedave 14:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
• Comment. This one might be fixed with a bit of Photoshop work. I could give it a try tonight. -- moondigger 15:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

• This is interesting. The original image was much bigger and included people, so the version that was promoted to FP status was a crop in the first place. I cropped even more, got rid of most of the noise, and converted to black & white because the image was almost a monochrome anyway. I played with the file a little while, and don't remember all the tweaks. In any case, the result is better, I think... but I'm not sure whether it's FP material. I also don't know whether an edit this severe would be considered the same image for FP purposes, or if it would require a new nomination. Anyway, there it is. -- moondigger 01:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

• Delist Just not up to standards.say1988 02:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
• Delist FP, nominate B&W edit. Good picture, but original is not up to standards. Support a Wikipedian going to the Lincoln Memorial with a tripod and Canon 5/10/20/30D to take a new version. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 09:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

  I'll make an attempt today. But perhaps it would be better on a weekday. hmm. --Gmaxwell 10:18, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

  Okay, I have pictures. Not as much or as nice as I'd like because it was crowded and I was harassed by security because apparently there is some material difference between pocket cameras with their obnoxious flashes that half the tourists have and my obviously terrorism related equipment (the national park service is going to enjoy my irate letter...). In any case, I'll go through my spoils tonight and see if there is anything which I feel is worthy. Otherwise I'll end up going back on a weekday. --Gmaxwell 00:13, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, at least until someone comes up with a better version. I like moondigger's edit, but we're starting to lose a lot of the pedestal. --jjron 10:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

  We're not voting to delete the image.. :) That no replacement has been posted is orthogonal to defeaturing this image... the replacement won't be automatically featured in any case. I have alternatives which I've not yet posted, hopefully I'll get them up tonight. In the meantime you can look at the South wall. --Gmaxwell 13:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

• I am aware of that. Personally, until I see something better I don't think the image is that bad that it needs to be delisted, if others think otherwise, fine. But if we go through putting up every image that may or may not make it through under current standards we could be very busy. I'm not convinced this wouldn't make it through now, although admittedly it probably wouldn't. --jjron 01:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Gmaxwell's contrasty Lincoln. View detail.

Gmaxwell's accurate and informative Lincoln. View detail.

I don't really understand your position. My view is that it is just a snapshot. It is not a bad snapshot, but it's not especially informative, nor detailed, it's not especially stunning, and doesn't exemplify especially good technique. And really, I don't see why you think it would have the slightest chance of being featured today.

I don't claim to have a 'feature worthy' alternative, and I think that the Lincoln statue in the memorial is a challenging subject to create an image of which would be truly deserving featured status... That said: Almost anyone, myself included, could produce images which are of similar or better quality day in and out. To the right I've included two images, variations on the same capture. I have a half dozen other similar pictures from different perspectives which I could put up, but I don't think they are especially good... and it probably won't be until the winter when the tourism drops off and I've had time to have a meeting of minds with the parks service and their over reactive anti-terrorism security folks that I'm able to get a capture of Lincoln that I'm actually proud of (see the south wall image I linked above, I actually am proud of that)...--Gmaxwell 06:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunatly the last GMaxwell one has what I assume are dead apple blossoms all over him. -Ravedave 14:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

He just needs a bath, he also has cobwebs. I assume they hose down the memorial from time to time... I'm not exactly allowed to go and clean him off. :) Cloning them all out would be a pain and would be make the image further from reality. :) The prior image was somewhat dirty too, but some of the dirt was cloned out. --Gmaxwell 14:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

• delist There must be a gazillion photographs of this Lincoln monument. This one has not got the extras to make it featured. Janderk 22:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
• delist not a good pic--Childzy _talk ^contribs 13:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Delisted Raven4x4x 06:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)