Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Lager Nordhausen

Lager Nordhausen edit

Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 3 Sep 2010 at 13:25:35 (UTC)

Original - Rows of bodies of dead inmates fill the yard of Lager Nordhausen, a Gestapo concentration camp. This photo shows less than half of the bodies of the several hundred inmates who died of starvation or were shot by Gestapo men. Germany

Reason: Historical value
Articles in which this image appears: The Holocaust, Gestapo
FP category for this image: History
Creator: James E Myers

Support as nominator --P. S. Burton (talk) 13:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I’d personally like to stay away from shocking and depressing images (rows of dead bodies counts as that, IMO) as I don’t think they are fitting for display on the Main Page as a Featured Picture for 24 hours. Perhaps a FA on the Main Page with a less shocking picture would be best. Greg L (talk) 17:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- This isn't a Main page voting page - this could still be an FP without being on main page so please assess your vote based on the quality of the picture not the shock value of it on the main page... gazhiley.co.uk 17:45, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Puuhleeze. Without a link, I’m not convinced your argument is backed by facts. See below. Greg L (talk) 18:17, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - FPC is not POTC. We have featured pictures which are horrific, but that doesn't mean we will use them on the main page. Vote by the project's criteria, not by your own whims. Cowtowner (talk) 19:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - What you wrote is simply not true. Howcheng has filtered out unsuitable pictures that we passed along for going into the queue on Picture Of The Day (POTD). Everything we pass here is intended to go into the queue to await its turn on the Main Page as POTD. The POTD queue is now well over a year long. The discard pictures that he considered as being unlikely to ever go to POTD totals 16 entries (one of them is a young women who is topless wearing only a bikini bottom). We aren’t here to vote for FP pictures that we fully well hope will end up in the “discarded” folder. I can think of better things to do that expose primary school children to shocking pictures of rows of dead bodies (or make more work for Howcheng as he exercises some common sense and adds this to the folder of discarded exceptions). Greg L (talk) 20:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You'll noticed a couple of things: firstly, POTD and FP are separate projects. Howcheng does a good job of filtering through our FPs and fitting them to the criteria of POTD. What he does not do is try to impose those criteria upon this project. If this is a question of work for him and this image is promoted, I will add it to the list of unused images and save him the trouble (and spare you from crusading about it further here). While we're discussing why we are here, I implore you to read this:

Featured pictures are images that add significantly to articles, either by illustrating article content particularly well, or being eye-catching to the point where users will want to read its accompanying article. Taking the adage that "a picture is worth a thousand words," the images featured on Wikipedia:Featured pictures should illustrate a Wikipedia article in such a way as to add significantly to that article, according to the featured picture criteria.

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Don't forget the purpose of this project or its criteria. Cowtowner (talk) 20:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you must have a serious problem with Howcheng. He’s not gonna put that picture of the topless babe on the Main Page and it is clearly very eye-catching and would make readers want to click the article. But then, he has common sense, doesn’t he? Good for him. Goodbye. Greg L (talk) 20:47, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea where you got the idea that I have a problem with Howcheng from. I truly appreciate everything that he does at POTD. If it wasn't clear from the discussion above, I support this image. Cowtowner (talk) 23:01, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:48, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Adam Cuerden... Couldn't have put it better myself... Oh and Greg I don't need to supply a link - the first paragraph on this page says it best : "Featured pictures are images that add significantly to articles, either by illustrating article content particularly well, or being eye-catching to the point where users will want to read its accompanying article. Taking the adage that "a picture is worth a thousand words," the images featured on Wikipedia:Featured pictures should illustrate a Wikipedia article in such a way as to add significantly to that article, according to the featured picture criteria." There is nothing there about this being a POTD entry page... The fact they end up there is because why would we want anything but the creme de la creme of pics on wikipedia on the front page?!! gazhiley.co.uk 22:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, it would be exactly the same as opposing a picture of a mushroom because you don't think it should appear on Portal:Fungi. Yes, fungal FPs do go on the portal, but that's a by-product of them being FPs, not their sole reason... J Milburn (talk) 22:25, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A little conservative restoration may be beneficial here- note top and bottom left corners. J Milburn (talk) 00:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Quoting Gazhiley: There is nothing there about this being a POTD entry page... Well, technically that is true; there is nothing about this being a POTD entry page. It’s too bad the omission has so easily confused you two. It seems rather redundant to have an explicit statement that “Featured Picture Candidate” means “if granted, it will be a Featured Picture on the Main Page one day”. This thoughtless omission has caused you two to run off with a wild and incorrect notions. Because every single picture we grant FP status to is headed to the Picture Of The Day and will jump into the queue awaiting its turn. Only unless Howcheng intervenes to pull out wildly unsuitable pictures like this one—or if we explicitly state here that the “support” vote is conditional that it not appear on the Main Page—does an FP-awarded picture not appear as a POTD one day. If you can’t see that yet, that’s not my problem.
  So, thinking about that, I’m striking my above “oppose” vote and am making it a conditional “support”, as follows… Greg L (talk) 01:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support Provided that this picture does not appear on the Main Page as a Featured Picture Of The Day. I’d personally like to stay away from shocking and provocative images (rows of dead bodies counts as that, IMO) as I don’t think they are fitting for display on the Main Page as a Featured Picture for 24 hours. Regardless of the good intentions of illustrating tragedy and man’s inhumanity to man, we must remember that primary school-age children visit Wikipedia. Pictures of rows of dead bodies is an adult theme. Of the 400+ FP pictures waiting in Howcheng’s POTD queue, there is really no point adding to the 16 images he has so far pulled out as being unsuitable for the Main Page. But we might be able to add another one or two. Maybe. Sometimes, pictures can be eye-catching and make readers want to click the article, but even on Wikipedia, WP:Common sense is applied in ways that are beyond stated criteria and FP-winners are left off the Main Page, as happened with the Michele Merkin picture we awarded. I can see how others might think Howcheng lacks wisdom and was a prude for pulling out a picture of a naked female form when there was so little breast revealed. But his instincts were correct, IMO, and he does a good job; we don’t need adult-themed, provocative, shocking images except when they are being sought out by the reader. There are 16 such images (out of the more than 400 in the queue) that are FP award-winners but won’t appear on the Main Page; we can add one more to the exceptions list, I suppose. Greg L (talk) 01:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm happy to second that... gazhiley.co.uk 09:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thirded. I do not feel an image this horrific has a place on the main page. J Milburn (talk) 19:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Fourth-ing the 'not POTD' thing, and it's not just the mainpage, it's also every single userpage, talkpage, sandbox and what-have-you that template {{pic of the day}} posted. --I'ḏ ♥One 20:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Large image, not great quality, but high EV. POTD can decide appropriateness on main page. Fletcher (talk) 23:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Fletcher. Whether this goes up on the main page isn't our decision, and I like it that way. --Avenue (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Corpses in the courtyard of Nordhausen concentration camp.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 17:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]