Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Jaroslava Mucha
Jaroslava Muchová edit
Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 28 Sep 2015 at 01:30:10 (UTC)
- Reason
- Mucha's known for his commercial art, perilous women with big hair and the epic Slav Epic (I said it was epic already), but this is a nice intimate sketch of his daughter who is obviously fed up with sitting for him, judging by the finger tapping.
- Articles in which this image appears
- Alphonse Mucha and now Jaroslava Muchová
- FP category for this image
- Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Others (though it has a bit of paint on it so it could go in Paintings)
- Creator
- Alphonse Mucha
- Support as nominator – Belle (talk) 01:30, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Support Good reproduction with many details. --Tremonist (talk) 12:54, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
- Support - Gorgeous — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:26, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
- Support - Good EV, nice detail.--Godot13 (talk) 21:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - Sadly there is a good chance this is still copyrighted in the US due to the URAA (and the fact that the US doesn't follow the rule of the shorter term). The copyright term in the Czech Republic in 1996 was 70 years pma and Alfons Mucha died in 1939. If someone can show that this painting was first published or exhibited before 1923, that will ensure it is PD in the US. Currently, we only have a vague guess for when it was created. Kaldari (talk) 04:52, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Almost certainly it wasn't published before 1923 and even claiming it was drawn before 1923 is dodgy. [Pouts] [Sulks]. I
withdrawit here, but I think it should be deleted from Commons too, no? Commons is a bit of a mystery to me; if it is on there I assume it is free to use. Belle (talk) 08:26, 24 September 2015 (UTC)- @Kaldari: can you explain this before I withdraw it? All the legal nonsense slides between the cracks in my brain; my removal of it from the Alphonse Mucha article was reverted and Chris Woodrich is normally a devil for copyright stuff, so I'm surprised he missed it if what you say is correct (not getting at you, Chris; that's actually a compliment if you think about it). Belle (talk) 01:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Belle: It's a borderline case. Commons does not typically pursue URAA copyright issues because they are such a mess to deal with and are very unlikely to result in take-down requests (since the works are generally public domain in the source country). I would probably leave it in the articles for now, but personally, I wouldn't support it to be a featured image due to the shaky copyright status. What is your estimate for when the drawing was actually created? Kaldari (talk) 01:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- It's hard to say; she was born in 1909 but she could be any age between about 12 (1921) and 25 (1934); even if we could pin it down I doubt it was published until after Mucha's death. I can't really understand how the URAA rules work; it looks like things that were out of copyright in the US before 1978 got put back in for a stupid length of time, and things copyrighted after 1978 got the "normal" rules, but it doesn't seem to mention things that were in copyright before 1978. That burning smell is my brain. Belle (talk) 01:59, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, the URAA is completely stupid and convoluted. And it doesn't even achieve its purported goal, which was to bring the US in line with the Berne Convention, as the Berne Convention specifies that signatories should adopt the rule of the shorter term. Kaldari (talk) 06:41, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- It's hard to say; she was born in 1909 but she could be any age between about 12 (1921) and 25 (1934); even if we could pin it down I doubt it was published until after Mucha's death. I can't really understand how the URAA rules work; it looks like things that were out of copyright in the US before 1978 got put back in for a stupid length of time, and things copyrighted after 1978 got the "normal" rules, but it doesn't seem to mention things that were in copyright before 1978. That burning smell is my brain. Belle (talk) 01:59, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Belle: It's a borderline case. Commons does not typically pursue URAA copyright issues because they are such a mess to deal with and are very unlikely to result in take-down requests (since the works are generally public domain in the source country). I would probably leave it in the articles for now, but personally, I wouldn't support it to be a featured image due to the shaky copyright status. What is your estimate for when the drawing was actually created? Kaldari (talk) 01:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Kaldari: can you explain this before I withdraw it? All the legal nonsense slides between the cracks in my brain; my removal of it from the Alphonse Mucha article was reverted and Chris Woodrich is normally a devil for copyright stuff, so I'm surprised he missed it if what you say is correct (not getting at you, Chris; that's actually a compliment if you think about it). Belle (talk) 01:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- Almost certainly it wasn't published before 1923 and even claiming it was drawn before 1923 is dodgy. [Pouts] [Sulks]. I
- Support -–Jobas (talk) 15:16, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Support! - nasty lady, you took that one right in front of my nose. Revenge will follow.Hafspajen (talk) 16:46, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Support - quite an interesting facial expression. — Cirt (talk) 20:22, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Promoted File:Jaroslava Mucha by Alfons Mucha.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 01:52, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Added image to Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Artists and writers instead. Armbrust The Homunculus 01:52, 28 September 2015 (UTC)