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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was delisted by Crisco 1492 16:33, 12 December 2014 [1].

Woody Allen filmography edit

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I am nominating this for featured list removal because a mere six inline citations is not even close to enough for FL standards. I don't know how this happened, but the edition that passed in July 2008 had only one inline citation. The opening sentence for the lead is also unnecessarily long. Not all of his occupations need to be listed. Is "award-winning" really needed? In any case, this needs substantial work to meet requirements for featured content. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:51, 21 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delist This filmography needs extensive work to meet the current Featured List requirements.--Skr15081997 (talk) 09:21, 30 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist Similar to the Christopher Walken one, needs lots of references. Lead needs to be rewritten. Table needs to be restructured. Does not meet current FL criteria. Cowlibob (talk) 17:03, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Similar to my statement in the Walken one as well. The list seems to meet the necessary requirements in my eye. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 07:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It most certainly does NOT. Nearly all of the roles are missing inline citations. Absolutely unacceptable for FL standards. Snuggums (talk / edits) 07:20, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It most certainly does. As it you have noted, it passed earlier with only one inline citation. Your notion that the actor can't be credited with a role in the movie unless there is a secondary source is absurd. The citations are not necessary unless there is an issue of verifiability. There is no issue of verifiability of Woody Allen being the director of Annie Hall. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 07:30, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The FL criteria was less demanding at the time this was promoted. While secondary sources are ideal, inline citations of some sort are a necessity. Snuggums (talk / edits) 07:33, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Inline citations are only a necessity when they deal with something that requires an inline citation WP:MINREF. The first three are attached to issues of verifiability (Direct quotations, a statement that has been challenged, or statements that are likely to be challenged). The last applies to contentious material about a BLP. I do not see where any of the statements about the roles Allen has had in a specific film fall under any of those categories, and even if they did (which I feel they don't), they can be verified by obtaining the credits of the film itself. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 07:46, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:MINREF is not a policy or guideline while WP:V and WP:NOR are both policies. The policies exist for a reason, so they should be put to use. Using film credits as citations would be one thing, but not even those are being used. Snuggums (talk / edits) 07:49, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Saying Director Woody Allen of Film X satisfies the question of verifiability. If that statement is suspect, just look to the credits of Film X to see if he was credited as being a director of it. You made it an issue of inline citations at first, I point out when inline citations are used, then you back away from inline citations and vaguely refer to WP:V and WP:NOR. I fail to see where WP:NOR comes into play here, no original research has been done or pointed out. It is not Original Research to use the Credits provided by the film itself as to who played what role in the production of that film, that is using it as a source to provide factual verification. If he isn't credited with it there, then most definitely other reliable sources must be identified. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 08:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What I meant was that there are not enough inline citations. All content must be (reliably) sourced for FL's. As I said, one could use film credits as a source, but so far that hasn't been included in the article. Content is not verifiable without citations. Snuggums (talk / edits) 08:10, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I already pointed out that all the information here is verifiable by the content on the page. No original research required or present, the content is verifiable without inline citations. There is nothing wrong with the article. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 18:44, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is actually a whole lot wrong with this article in its current state. Lead and tables also need restructuring. Wikipedia articles themselves are good not enough references as those can potentially have unsourced/poorly sourced information.
  • No where did I write or suggest that a wikipedia article itself could be sourced. I did suggest that if the article says Woody Allen is the director of Annie Hall. The best place to verify this would be the credits of Annie Hall. All that has been demonstrated here is no one knows what the word "Verifiable" means. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 10:48, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:54, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delist. There just are not enough inline citations (6 to cover a career isn't enough). Xcuref1endx, you need to listen to what Snuggums and others are saying here. Even if we do allow the films to act as the source (we don't), the Rancid Tomatoes info, gross of each film, the shorts and television information, and most af the lead are all unsourced. That's just not good enough for an FL. - SchroCat (talk) 08:49, 7 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That makes perfect sense. Obviously, seeing the credits of a film provides us with no verification of whether the individual had any involvement with the film. -Xcuref1endx (talk) 08:56, 24 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist – The entire lead contains just one ref. Doesn't seem to meet the primary requirements of WP:WIAFL. —Vensatry (ping) 19:11, 22 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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