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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was kept by The Rambling Man 16:23, 27 June 2011 [1].

List of The Adventures of Mini-Goddess episodes edit

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Notified late:NocturneNoir (talk · contribs) Goodraise 15:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the sources are inadequate and that this list no longer means FL standards. Source 1 is outdated and the source for the airdates is linked to a steaming website which I do not believe is reliable. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 08:42, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why? --Malkinann (talk) 08:47, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The first reference is a dead link. SurfTheChannel does not seem reliable. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 22:20, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments The Wayback Machine only has an archive of the now-dead webpage when it was "under construction", so a new source needs to be found. I am somewhat dubious of SurfTheChannel. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:14, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment what's happening here? There's been no consensus either way registered since the nomination, around three weeks ago. If nothing changes in the next couple of days, this will be close as no consensus to delist. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have no clue. I already stated that I find surf the channel unreliable and the general reference is gone. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 18:32, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
New link for general reference: http://www.olm.co.jp/en/olm/work/1998/ G.A.Stalk 10:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comments –
  • Any alternatives avaliable to the one questionable website? This is a serious concern which should be addressed while this is here.
  • WOWOW doesn't need multiple links in the lead.
  • Episode 8: "Urd self-multiples to form an army". Should "self-multiples" be "self-multiplies"? You'd probably have to have seen the show to know if "self-multiples" is terminology used in it.
  • Episode 10: "Urd notices Gan-chan's ring has and asks if she can have it." Something's clearly missing from this sentence.
  • Episode 24: "They sell tickets for the show and fix a mistake on the posters." Before this sentence, we don't know about the show or the posters, while the sentence implies that they've already been mentioned.
  • Episode 35: Missing "to" in "who tries detain them."
  • Episode 48: "so the goddesses have a picnic and to which they invite Gan-chan." The "to which they" is a redundancy in the writing that begs to be removed.
  • The all caps in "BOX" in the title of reference 9 should be taken out. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 20:41, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Comment I've asked the nominator to revisit as concerns over the references appear to have been sorted and Giants' issues on prose etc seem to have been addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • I still believe reference 15 (Surfthechannel) to be unreliable. If there are oppositions to this, I remove my nomination. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 14:08, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reference 2[2] seems to verify the first and last release dates. But is that sufficient? G.A.Stalk 14:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very well, but Surfthechannel has to be removed, as it links to copyrighted video streams. Assuming allcnima.net is reliable and the general dates sourced meets FL criteria, I will drop my nomination. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 14:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • As far as I'm concerned, referencing the first and last dates is not enough. Goodraise 20:19, 9 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I thought as much but its been too long and no consensus has been reached. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 01:47, 10 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Whoo, missed the party. The airdates are impossible to source, by the way. I've scoured the entirety of the internet. Unless you're going to cite the episodes themselves (is that even allowed?). Alternately, I think Hulu has airdates (different ones than the ones listed) if that's reliable. Will say that I'm not at all interested in maintaining this list though, sorry. ɳOCTURNEɳOIRtalk 05:06, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Found something:- [3] (Press more for episode details); but is the page reliable? G.A.Stalk 05:42, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I do not believe it is but it would be better to ask editors that can recognize reliable sources better. It seems to me the information on that site could have been taken from wikipedia. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 10:33, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That danger exists with just about any source. That the information might stem from Wikipedia, doesn't make it unreliable. Unfortunately, sources aren't reliable by default. The site is commercial... Can anyone say more about it than that? Goodraise 20:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm stopping my nomination since no consensus have been reached so far. Its off my list. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 02:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I can find this information in various magazines I have, but it will have to wait until June. I don't have time to look up the information right now. Can you wait until the first week in June? I do find it absurd that everyone is so hung up on this extremely minor point, though, as I would consider this somewhat common knowledge for anyone who was living in Japan at the time (as I was). This information can be found in any tv guide of the time (which are very hard to come by anymore) as well as in any anime magazine which listed airdates for shows at that time. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I was scanning the featured lists in the anime and manga project for lists that do not meet FL criteria due to poor referencing or other things. I don't see the harm in sending this list to FLRC. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 06:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I completely understand the desire to have well-cited sources, but are airdates really controversial? With such non-controversial stuff, I really believe in innocent 'til proven guilty... ɳOCTURNEɳOIRtalk 08:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Questionable sources should never be used. It's not a question of guilt. It's a question of credibility. Our credibility. I don't demand for every claim in every article to be cited (even though that would be desirable). But it's different with featured content. Featured content needs to set the right example. Remove the questionable sources and have the article delisted, and you won't hear another word from me. But an article at FLC or FLRC should not be shown any leniency. Doing so would not be in the encyclopedia's best interest. Goodraise 18:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, if we can get commitment from Nihonjoe that he'll have the data and add it to the list in the next couple of weeks, I don't see a problem. If this commitment doesn't materialise, or if we can't find a mutually acceptable solution, we'll need to close this out as delisted. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Like I said above, I can do it in June, but not before. I'm too busy until then. I still disagree with Goodraise that every airdate needs to be cited as that's overkill, IMNSHO. As long as we know when the series aired (beginning and ending), I don't see a need to cite every single airdate. Again, overkill, but if he's refusing to stop being pedantic about it, I'm fine with fulfilling his pedantic desires. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! That's most gracious of you. Goodraise 11:05, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Update please, it's now mid-June. If we don't get the requested sourced material, we'll have no much choice other than to delist which would be a real shame. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please be patient. I'm almost done with what I need to finish before I can do this. It should be about a week before I can begin checking the various magazines which should have the info. I agree with you that delisting simply because every single episode airdate doesn't have a reference would be a real shame. Really stupid, IMNSHO. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 05:48, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have been patient, we're now seven weeks or so into this FLRC with no activity for some time. I just wanted an update. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I know you've been patient. If you decide to have someone close it, though, I think that will be a bit extreme. The sources exist, but I just haven't had the time to go to a storage unit and look them up. The magazines I have list all of the new anime showing in Japan for the month of the issue, so you can rest assured they exist. It will be about a week before I can get them for you, though. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:20, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, thanks for the update. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I should be grabbing the issues I need within the next couple days. I will have the plethora of references soon. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 06:31, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, Goodraise and DragonZero, I've supplied the references. Got any other complaints? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 22:41, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As an editor who expects perfection from featured content, I'm sure there'll be something else for me to complain about in the future, just not right now. Your efforts are very much appreciated. I'm still puzzled, though. I simply cannot understand your apparent anger over this. If adding these references was such a bother, then why doing it at all? You could've just ignored the request and nothing of consequence would have happened. FLRC is, after all, not AfD. Goodraise 08:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not angry, just somewhat annoyed as I don't think every airdate should need a reference. I just think that's overkill, and your insistence on having a reference for each individual airdate goes far beyond normal referencing requirements for featured anything, in my opinion. As someone else pointed out above, airdates are not controversial, and not something which would normally be questioned. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 17:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, in any case, thanks for the work Joe. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Nice list again thanks to Nihonjoe. However, could you add the ISSN of Animage (if it doesn't have one, then add the OCLC). Also, "Tokyo" is sufficient for location, rather than "Tokyo, Japan". Adabow (talk · contribs) 08:57, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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