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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list removal nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was removed by Sephiroth BCR 00:52, 22 April 2009 [1].

List of NFL champions

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Fails criteria 2, and 5, as well as the mandate for verifiability.

  • Does not have an engaging lead sentence; FLs no longer start out "List of NFL champions".
  • Breaches style guidelines for accessibility (needs symbols to accompany color); en dashes should be used in scores. "End-of-season championships" table needs a key or better footnote system, as it's not always clear what the numbers signify.
  • The big one: The general reference is dead, meaning that 95% of the info is not verifiable. In addition, inline citations should be added to the lead and Records section.

Dabomb87 (talk) 22:17, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delist - As I've said elsewhere, I have numerous issues with this list in its current form. In addition to the reasons Dabomb gave above, the title is misleading as the list only gives champions before 1970, when the NFL and AFL completed their merger. Needs work to maintain its featured status. Giants2008 (17-14) 00:16, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have addressed all of the listed concerns except the symbols to accompany the colors:

  1. Per WP:Lists_(stand-alone_lists)#Naming_conventions, "The name or title of the list should simply be List of _ _ (for example list of Xs)," so I fail to see how it is incorrect.
    No, I was referring to the lead sentence, not the title; i.e., "This is a list of National Football League (NFL) champions". Dabomb87 (talk) 12:23, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I added en dashes to all scores. I clarified to what the numbers in the tables refer and used internal footnotes to distinguish from the number of championships.
  3. I added two current references from the Pro Football Hall of Fame website and one from Pro Football Reference.
  4. I would support a move to a more-accurate name, perhaps "List of NFL champions before the AFL-NFL merger."

I'll soon add symbols if no one else does but tonight I am tired.--2008Olympianchitchat 06:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - items in the Records section needs refs—Chris! ct 21:16, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delist Suggestions were already made above. If this list can be fixed up, leave me a message, and I'll check it out again.  iMatthew :  Chat  13:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For the name, I would suggest List of NFL champions (1920–1969). Giants2008 (17-14) 21:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delist -- I suggest expanding the lead a bit more to summarize the list more. The section headers are also confusing, as they are not elaborated in prose. The records also look a bit trivial, some of these can be in the lead. The referencing should also be formatted into general and specific references.--Truco 02:12, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, I put in symbols. Refs are still needed for the Records section and concerns about the lead and list name need to be resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delist There has been improvement, but issues remain. Dabomb87 (talk) 14:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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