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World Rugby Player of the Year edit

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Nominator(s): The Rambling Man (talk) 12:42, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Another rugby list but this time about the best players in the world. Despite the distinct lack of Australians on the list, I'm still hoping that my antipodean review crew will still participate! I know I have two open noms, but one has substantial support at this time, and the other is unrelated to this topic so everything's fine! The Rambling Man (talk) 12:46, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support – Everything looks good to me. Great job! Care to check out my new FLC? BeatlesLedTV (talk) 18:53, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from Ianblair23 (talk) 11:42, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
:Hi TRM, please find my comments below:
  • I have checked all the links and fixed some of them, also added a few missing parentheses.
  • Ref 4 – remove the access date, not required for PDF links
  • Perhaps not required but not prohibited either so I'll keep it for consistency. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • My only question is do the tables in the stats section require column headers in order to comply with WP:ACCESS?
  • They don't have column headers so combining the row scopes with the caption should be sufficient for ACCESS purposes. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers – Ianblair23 (talk) 07:32, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ianblair23 thanks, I've responded inline above, let me know if there's anything else. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second sentence is out of place; it makes more sense after what the award is presented for. Reywas92Talk 23:28, 15 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Done, thanks! The Rambling Man (talk) 07:48, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Harrias talk 07:21, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from Harrias talk
  • In the sentence starting "Since 2014, following...", "World Rugby Player of the Year" doesn't need to be emboldened again, it is just the same as the first line.
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In a year when the Rugby World Cup tournament is staged, performances in that event are also taken into account." The use of the word also made we think some other criteria had already been mentioned, but nothing has, so this wording is a bit confusing? Maybe this sentence needs to go after the following one: "The award is presented to honour "the achievements of those involved at the highest level of the world game on the field"."
    I think it's nugatory, the actual highest level probably includes the World Cup after all, ditched. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The winner receives a trophy." I mean, I can't really fault it, but this is a pretty diddy sentence. My wife would tell me that there is nothing wrong with small things, (okay, this is starting to sound bad – abort). Anyway, it might work better tacked onto another sentence? It just makes the paragraph seem a bit bullet-point like with such a short, bland statement.
    Fnar, I expanded. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • The infobox says it was first awarded in 2000; the list and lead suggest 2001.
    Spot! Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you look at the table widths in the Statistics section; maybe consider making them all the same, but I'd certainly Wins by position in particular to be a bit wider. In terms of readability and visual appeal, it just looks a bit of a mess to me at the moment.
    Actually, right now the coding seems beyond me, I'm wondering if these minutiae "win" tables are really necessary given the main table can be sorted by these properties in any case.... If you could suggest coding that you'd accept, that would be fine! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Consider linking World Rugby on the first use in the references.
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link Steve James (cricketer) on ref #9.
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Any chance of a fair use image of the trophy? Harrias talk 22:12, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    That would be great, but I can't find any image of the trophy on its own, can you? If so, I'll happily do the grunt work and fair use etc... The Rambling Man (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Harrias, thanks for the comments and quick response, replied inline above, let me know what you think. Cheers, The Rambling Man (talk) 22:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, I can't find an image of the trophy on it's own either unfortunately. Looks like it has changed design from the IRB days to the World Rugby brand too. I played with the widths in the Stats section a little bit, feel free to revert if you're not keen, but it looks better to me, at least. Harrias talk 07:21, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, that does look better. I was too tired last night to use such a simple approach. Cheers for the review, the fix and the support! The Rambling Man (talk) 07:39, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by JennyOz

Hi TRM, a few comments on another fine sports list...

  • Infobox, Awarded for - quote doesn't start with a capital so is the full stop required?
  • "...Keith Wood who is considered one the greatest Ireland..."
needs "of"
and a link for Ireland national rugby union team?
Both addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "New Zealanders dominate the list of winners having received the award on nine occasions. Two All Blacks have won..." - need to somehow mention that NZ and ABs are actually same? Only neatish way I can think of is to insert "(nicknamed the All Blacks)" after "New Zealanders". (NB this may be important if, as 2017 is announced, you decide to replace the last two sentences of lede (where NZ and AB are obvious same team) with latest winner.)
    Fixed, I think. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...flanker Richie McCaw..." - wlink for flanker (here and multiple others) could possibly go to own article ie Flanker (rugby union)? (though being on same ru positions page as all others seems just as useful)
    Done, seems odd that only "flanker" has its own article... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "As of 2016, five of the sixteen recipients represent northern hemisphere teams." - Why not eleven of the sixteen represent southern...?
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • "... Beauden Barrett who scored the final try for the All Blacks in the 2015 Rugby World Cup Final which ensured their victory ..." Final score 34-17 so even without that try and conversion NZ would have won so "ensured" not quite right word here. Maybe "capped" or similar?
    Done, just replaced the editorialising with "in". The Rambling Man (talk) 20:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Main table

All columns, years, images, winner, country, flags, positions, wlinks and refs checked

  • Country column - would be better not centered so flags line up like nominees column?
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2014 Retallick position Lock - wlink needs to be piped plural ie #Locks
    Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
ditto for Matfield x2, O'Connell, Etzebeth, Jones, Itoje x2

Statistics tables

Owen Farrell now has 3 nominations
add Maro Itoje with 2 noms
add Beauden Barrett with 2 noms
  • Nominations by country
NZ should be 25 plus (2017 x 2) = 27
Aust should now be 13 inc 2017 Folau
Eng becomes 11

I'm off to sign up a few thousand twitter accounts:) 2017 winner will be announced any minute, will check back when you've added winner updates. Regards JennyOz (talk) 11:47, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • All done bar the 2017 updates which I will do as soon as they announce the winner (any minute now). The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    JennyOz all done, just waiting for a 2017 formal quote from World Rugby to complete the lead rather than rely wholesale on last year's comments. All else done though if you don't mind checking? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:08, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    JennyOz ok, World Rugby were nice and quick to update their site, so I followed suit. Should be there, or thereabouts, so please, when you get a moment, let me know. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, sorry to be your worst nightmare - it's payback for me having to click on that rotten Independent ref 16 and see that rotten big photo of that rotten sailing ball... broke my heart all over again:)

  • "...along with his debut captaincy of his country against the Barbarians." - add "in the 2017 Killik Cup."? (but it's not in ref, is that too OR-ish?)
    Added along with another ref. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Full-back - Latham et al show the hyphen but for Folau you piped it?
    Fixed. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Multiple noms
Owen Farrell - move to 3 noms
add Maro Itoje with 2 noms
Aus and Sth Af both 13 - change rowspan and then alpha order?
Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
NZ - I'm definitely still counting 27
Done. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I reckon that's all now. Thanks! JennyOz (talk) 04:41, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

JennyOz, thanks, as ever, I think (and hope!) I got to all your points, let me know if there's anything else. Cheers, The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Great job - will be up to date for 12 months! I'm very happy to sign for support. JennyOz (talk) 08:41, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Jenny! The Rambling Man (talk) 08:46, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PresN, Giants2008 I think all this needs is a source check and it's good to go? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:46, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Source review – All of the references appear to be reliable sources, and the link-checker shows that they all work. Spot-checks of refs 7, 30, and 33 revealed one small issue: the title of ref 33 is different than what is indicated here. I'd say it's likely that some of the text changed since you added the link; the title seemingly shows that the page originally had live coverage of the 2017 awards ceremony, while what's there now is more of a proper article. Fix that and I think we can call this source review a pass. Giants2008 (Talk) 03:28, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    That's fixed, but it's an interesting point because URLs often change their title e.g. reports of disasters or terror attacks often update their titles rapidly in the early stages, and are actually quite likely to be archived with a variety of titles too. So I'm not entirely convinced that the title needed to be changed, but since I've spent more time talking about it than it took to fix, I might as well shut up now. Thanks for the source review. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:49, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    Giants2008, sorry, forgot to ping you. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:58, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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