Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Warren Spahn Award/archive1

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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 20:12, 19 December 2011 [1].

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Warren Spahn Award

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• Featured list candidates/Warren Spahn Award/archive1

Nominator(s): – Muboshgu (talk) 20:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

This is the next of my non-MLB sanctioned awards for FLC. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 11:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Comments "annual award given out" we already know that it s an award so there is no need to repeat it, I' mnot keen on given out, sounds like anyone could get when that obviously is not the case. I would rephrase it as "annual honor awarded to..." "Johnson and Johan Santana both won the Cy Young Award every year they won the Warren Spahn Award." not happy with this sentence, I would change to "In the years they won the Warren Spahn Award, Johnson ad Santana also won the Cy Young Award." "The New York Yankees' CC Sabathia edged the Houston Astros'" not sure edged is the best word here, perhaps beat? I'm not sure what the guideline is on bold links, as I can't find it in the MOS, but as far as i was aware they were frowned upon, so I would add the parameter plainrowheaders to the table to stop the bold links. ref 1 needs format=PDF added to it NapHit (talk) 22:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC) "annual award given out" --> "presented annually". Babe Ruth Award, which passed FLC, uses "given annually", and so I think this wording is an improvement from that. I chose to use "defeated" over "beat". The above changes are all made. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:28, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Support NapHit (talk) 11:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Comments – Don't need two 1999 in baseball links in the lead. Same goes for wins. It's now seven pitchers in 13 years, not six in 12. That needs updating. Are any details avaliable on the tie-break system that was used in 2009? Giants2008 (Talk) 21:23, 16 November 2011 (UTC) Changes made. The tie-break was chosen on the basis of winning percentage. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:41, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

• Support – Meets FL standards. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:04, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from KV5

Comments from KV5 Remove all "year in baseball" links in prose. Their use is deprecated everywhere except in tables; see template doc for {{by}}. Switch out templates from {{by}} to {{mlby}} in table as they provide the proper context ("Baseball years" are world-wide articles, while "Major League Baseball seasons" are the league-specific articles) and because this is where the key says that they go. Add some discussion on the other multiple winners to the lead. Award table needs caption. The lead should be a summary of the table. You do not note the Cy Young Award double-winners in the table, so this should be removed from the lead or, alternatively, the Cy Youngs should be noted in the table. "The winner is chosen based on rankings, which are based on wins, strikeouts and earned run average." - some sort of footnote explaining how these rankings work would be helpful. "Cleveland Indians / Milwaukee Brewers" - needs a non-breaking space before the slash On my resolution, the images run into the reference section, crushing them. Consider removing an image or re-vamping the format. Might be better to use an actual image of Spahn instead of a statue that may or may not be PD and doesn't really show the pitcher at all, just his stance. "The Warren Spahn Award is presented annually... for that current season" - awkward wording. Consider re-word: "The Warren Spahn Award is presented each season..." I don't think the "See also" link to list of MLB awards is appropriate, as this award isn't MLB-sanctioned. All of those awards are linked from Baseball awards anyway. Hope these comments help. — KV5 • Talk • 12:43, 25 November 2011 (UTC) Mostly done The only thing I haven't done is the explanation on how the rankings work. I've been unable to find any specific information on how the rankings are formed, only what they are comprised of. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:20, 25 November 2011 (UTC) I understand you're busy in the real world, but could you please help me finish this one off? – Muboshgu (talk) 20:03, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

• Support Yup, is good. — KV5 • Talk • 22:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 20:57, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Comments It's a short article, so just two lead paras would suffice. "The Bricktown Rotary Club became a sponsor of the award in 2009.[2] Since 2009, the award is presented at the annual Warren Spahn Award Gala, hosted by the Bricktown Rotary Club of Oklahoma City at the Jim Thorpe Museum every January" nasty prose. Repetitive (year and Rotary Club repeated) and in need of an elegant merge. awardee yuck. Recipient? Forgive me, but as a non-baseball fan, what's the prominence of this award? In other words, why should care who was awarded it? Could be a tinpot organisation making these decisions which has no real notability outside itself... The fact that the presenting body (the Oklahoma Sports Museum) doesn't have its own article is concerning me... I see it has notable third-party coverage, so that's a good start, but is there any source that says winning this is considered a great achievement? Santana's caption claims a Triple Crown award, where is that referenced? The Rambling Man (talk) 12:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC) Changes made. I redlinked the Oklahoma Sports Museum as it probably should have its own article, and I may create it when I have more time. As for the level of achievement of this award, it is definitely not as prestigious as other baseball awards. I remember seeing a source that said that Johnson went out of his way to attend the award ceremony because of his respect for Spahn. I'll try to dig that out later today and put it in prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC) I added to the article about how Johnson personally attended the awards ceremonies because Spahn called him and asked him to. I hope that helps to talk about its prominence a bit. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

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