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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 06:56, 24 July 2008 [1].

Virginia Tech Hokies football seasons

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I've been working on this one for a couple days. It's as complete as I can make it, and follows on the heels of Iowa Hawkeyes football seasons, East Carolina Pirates football seasons, and Appalachian State Mountaineers football seasons. If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, don't hesitate to drop a message on my talk page, and I'll get back as soon as possible. Thanks! JKBrooks85 (talk) 08:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments
    • Image in lead can be up to 300px in size this res can be supported by the original image. Also, the caption could use some work, like get rid of "Seen here is.." and "Since those early days, " - perhaps just "Since then..."
      • Done.
    • The season links need publisher/work information.
      • Done.
    • In the references, use en-dash for page ranges, year ranges etc.
      • Done.
    • Why is final ranking col heading split into two cells?
      • The original plan was to put the Coaches' poll in there as well. I haven't found a citation yet, though, so I'm holding off on that. I didn't take it out because I like the look of the split header.
    • Why no conference finishing position in 1921?
      • Joined in the middle of the season, and only played a partial conference schedule.
    • I think you could use a key: bold, colors etc, not immediately clear what they represent.
      • Done.
    • Worth mentioning in the lead why they went "independent" from 1965 to 1990 inclusive?
      • Mentioned it in a footnote, which has been cited.
    • Don't need the periods in the bowl result col.
      • Done.
    • Where suspended for second world war, the table needs to span one more column.
      • Done.
    • Remove 2008 - the lead says this is a list of completed seasons.
      • Done.
    • I would left-align the bowl results.
      • Tried it ... looks horrifically ugly.
    • Why some seasons without AP ranking?
      • See footnote by AP ranking.

The Rambling Man (talk) 14:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Another excellent Hokies article from JK. Interesting to read and incredibly sourced. Certainly deserves featured status along with the other lists. Geologik (talk) 20:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support The only comment I have is that you use a inline citation for every season. I just wonder why you just didn’t use the latest media guide for all the seasons. 09er (talk) 22:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • When they went to the standard-length media guide (after the 2003 season, when every school switched to a standard length), the team results were one of the things to be cut. I've got an '03 guide, but this format allows a reader to jump directly to the season if they so wish. It was a lot more work, but I figured it was worth the effort. Thanks for the support! JKBrooks85 (talk) 22:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Looks good. The only thing is this sentence: "The Hokies won several games against larger, better-funded teams during this time, but did not compete in many games outside the American South." It would be better if it was cited. PGPirate 00:00, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Resolved comments from Crzycheetah 03:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Throughout the lead you use either "Tech" or "the Hokies" when referring to the team. Just choose one. I recommend choosing "the Hokies".
      • I've found in past featured articles that using just one term creates an air of repetitiveness. It's kinda boring to keep reading the same term again and again, which is why the use of multiple terms for readability purposes has been upheld in various featured articles and featured lists.
    • Since the team's creation in 1891 by professor Ellison A. Smyth—who coached the team in its first game, which was played the next year—the Hokies have participated in more than 1,100 officially-sanctioned games, including 21 bowl games. — needs sourcing
      • Done.
    • Tech administrators, wanting to expand the football program, chose to leave the conference and become a football independent once more. — needs sourcing
      • Done.
    • … which represent the highest tier of postseason accomplishment. — Needs sourcing
      • Done.
    • The font in the Key is too small.
      • Done.
    • The "Conference" column has 3 citations. — Needs a little explaining as to what each reference is for.
      • Done. I've added elements in the citation explaining what they're for.
    • The very first citation says p. 140-142, which should be 140–142, by the way, but when I open the PDF file, it says p. 1 of 81 meaning there is no p. 140 or 142. I suggest putting these pages in the parentheses.
      • Done. I've also added PDF page information to the other PDFed style guides cited.
    • Preferably, separate notes from citations.
      • Done.

--Crzycheetah 04:02, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Let me know if there's anything else I can take care of for you. JKBrooks85 (talk) 00:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • In 1993, Tech attended the first bowl game of its current 15-game streak, and vaulted into national prominence in 1995, when the Hokies defeated the Texas Longhorns in the 1995 Sugar Bowl. — Needs rephrasing and sourcing
      • Done. Split into two sentences.
    • You have green and yellow in the key, but green and orange in the table.
      • Done. I've also bolded the two items, since colors shouldn't be the only things backing those up.
        • Since you've bolded both of them, how would a color-blind person distinguish them?--Crzycheetah 03:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well, uh, er ... magic? if that doesn't work, I've italicized the conference championship entries to make a textual difference. JKBrooks85 (talk) 05:21, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "Virginia Tech Hokies" row in the table is redundant. No one expects to see a list of UCLA Bruins or some other team seasons.
  • The link to the Portal should be in the See also section.
  • Most of the footnotes need in-line citations, as well.

    • --Crzycheetah 06:36, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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