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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Matthewedwards 02:48, 10 April 2009 [1].

Timeline of the 2007–08 South Pacific cyclone season edit

Nominator(s): Jason Rees (talk)
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I am nominating this for featured list because... As i said last time i feel that this meets the critera. However due to a lack of reviews when i submitted this timeline the last time it failed. Please note that is the first timeline to come from outside of the NHC AoR so all comments on how to improve it are welcome. Thanks Jason Rees (talk) 00:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I seriously think that you should have waited a little more to do the comments from the last FLC, and fix some minor ones on the article. I also suggest you to ask the users at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones for some guidance. Good luck on your nomination. -- [[SRE.K.A.L.|L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 00:46, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the Comments Keith :). I have spoken to other members of the WPTC and the FL Director who suggested that i should put it up after Gimmebot has archived the previous page. Also the only reason the previous FLC failed was because of a lack of reviews so there wasnt anything to correct as far as i am aware. Jason Rees (talk) 00:56, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- My comments from the previous review were addressed, and it seems like other comments raised by other reviewers were also addressed.--Best, ₮RUCӨ 22:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Truco :) Jason Rees (talk) 22:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "Tropical Depression ex-Daman" and "Tropical Depression ex Elisa" Still unclear for ordinary readers; maybe "that a tropical Depression formerly known as Elisa" or something like that.
Except as i said in the previous review they are designations so they should not be removed Jason Rees (talk) 22:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You added the en dashes to everything in that section, not just the separators between the listed items. Remove the en dashes from the citation templates.
  • "The JTWC storms are referred to numerically, to avoid confusion, as the JTWC sometimes recognises a storm at a different intensity compared to RSMC Nadi and TCWC Wellington." Just very confusing, I don't know what else to say. You might ask fellow hurricane editors on how to rephrase.
Thats already been rephrased Jason Rees (talk) 22:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I still see basic grammatical errors in the timeline itself, examples:
    • "Tropical Depression 08F is downgraded to a Tropical Disturbance by RSMC Nadi who issue " There should be a comma after "Nadi".
    • "reached its peak winds of 205 km/h, " Don't you mean peak wind speeds?
    • "RSMC Nadi reports that a Tropical Depression 08F has formed, to the northeast of Vanuatu." No comma.
    • "While the JTWC designates the Cyclone as 11P." Not a grammatical sentence. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In general, needs another hurricane editor (Juliancolton or Cyclonebiskit?) to look through this. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok Ive caught evreything i think Jason Rees (talk) 23:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Sorry, but there's quite a bit of work to be done. Examples:
  • The timeline includes information that was not operationally released, meaning that information from post-storm reviews by the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC), and the Fiji Meteorological Service, such as information on a storm that was not operationally warned on. - This sentence is incomplete.
in my opinion it is complete as TCWC Wellington pass their BT to FMSJason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I meant it's grammatically incomplete. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • To avoid confusion, the JTWC designates storms numerically, as the agency may assess a different intensity than that of RSMC Nadi or TCWC Wellington. - Needs a source.
Ive removed the pov part but i doubt it needs a source.Jason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • RSMC Nadi reports that Tropical Disturbance 01F has formed, to the east of the Solomon Islands. - This comma is unnecessary. Removed Jason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • RSMC Nadi reports that Tropical Depression 01F, has weakened into a tropical disturbance. - Same with above, but this comma is simply ungrammatical.Removed Jason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2100 UTC, (0900 FST, November 28) RSMC Nadi downgrades Tropical Depression 03F to a tropical disturbance. - Missing dash.
  • RSMC Nadi upgrades Tropical Depression 04F to a Category 1 tropical cyclone naming it Daman. - Poorly worded. Revised Jason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • RSMC Nadi reports that Tropical Cyclone Daman, has become a Category 3 severe tropical cyclone. - Another ungrammatical comma. RemovedJason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • RSMC Nadi reports that Severe Tropical Cyclone Daman has intensified, into a Category 4 severe tropical cyclone. - Again. Removed
  • The JTWC reports that Tropical Cyclone 05P has reached its peak windspeeds of 205 km/h, (125 mph), which makes it a Category 3 Cyclone on the SSHS. - "Cyclone" shouldn't be capitalized. Revisd Jason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Severe Tropical Cyclone Daman weakens in to a Category 3 severe tropical cyclone. - "In to" → "into". Removed Jason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Severe Tropical Cyclone Daman weakens in to a Category 2 tropical cyclone. - Again. Removed Jason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • RSMC Nadi reports that Tropical Depression 07F has formed about 215 km (130 miles) west–northwest of Vavua Island, Tonga. - "West-northwest" should have a hyphen, rather than an en dash. DoneJason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cyclone Funa makes landfall on Espiritu Santo. - Where? Espiritu Santo big hint its linked above Jason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • RSMC Nadi reports that Cyclone Gene has re–strengthened into a Category 2 Cyclone - This should be a hyphen. Done Jason Rees (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

–Juliancolton | Talk 15:50, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral from Cyclonebiskit (talk · contribs)

The article has improve a bit since the previous nomination, but seeing how many errors were found, I'm neutral with the promotion/failing of the timeline. That said, one major issue I see is that the article is not using the final Best Track from the Joint Typhoon Warning Center. The operational best track would be fine but there have been several changes since then and need to be represented in the timeline. More when I'm awake :P Cyclonebiskit 00:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Further Comments

  • The 2007–08 South Pacific Cyclone season officially ran between November 1, 2007 and April 30, 2008, although Tropical Depression 01F formed outside these official parameters, on October 17, 2007. Can you make the starting sentence a bit more interesting? Say something about what was abnormal about the season or what was very notable about it as a whole.
  • Link the season article in the first sentence and delink it at the end of the intro. paragraph.
  • Link RSMC the first time it is used.
  • 0000 UTC, (1200 Fiji Standard Time, (FST), July 1) – The 2007–08 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone year officially starts. Remove the comma after UTC and after Fiji Standard Time
  • Remove all the commas after UTC in the article
  • 0000 UTC, (1200 FST, December 7) – The JTWC reports that Tropical Cyclone 05P has reached its peak windspeeds of 205 km/h, (125 mph), which makes it a Category 3 cyclone on the SSHS. What's the SSHS? Don't abbreviate a the first usage of a term and always link it; also remove the commas between km/h and mph
  • Use while instead of whilst
  • 1800 UTC, (0600 FST, January 12) – Tropical Cyclone Elisa weakens into a Tropical Depression. Tropical Depression should be in lowercase - doneJason Rees (talk) 23:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 1800 UTC, (0600 NZST, January 21) – TCWC Wellington reports that Tropical Cyclone Funa has become Extratropical. Extratropical should be lowercase - Done Jason Rees (talk) 23:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 0000 UTC, (1200 FST, January 29) – RSMC Nadi reports that Cyclone Gene has intensified into a Category 2 Cyclone after emerges back into the Southern Pacific. Reads a bit strange since an island really doesn't block a storm from being over water entirely.
  • 1800 UTC, (0600 FST, April 18) – RSMC Nadi reports that Tropical Depression 16F has formed approximately 255 Nautical miles (470 Kilometres) to the southwest of Honiara, Solomon Islands. Use statute miles not nautical miles - done Jason Rees (talk) 23:55, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'll have more later, those were just after a rough skim through the article. Cyclonebiskit 15:21, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that this nomination be withdrawn; there are still issues, and FLC is not a peer review. Dabomb87 (talk) 12:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I must agree with Dabomb87. There are issues as simple as incorrect grammar to be dealt with. –Juliancolton | Talk 13:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Despite the new FL criteria, this list is still up to those standards. But the grammar issues that I was unable to find is astonishing, I suggest withdrawal as well.--Truco 15:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I also agree. I found some awkward grammar issues in the lede and article, and rather than doing a full review, I think it should be withdrawn. Sorry. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:46, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Closing comments There are issues still to be resolved with this article, and it's clear it's not ready for FLC yet. To the reviewer, the suggestion about WP:Peer review seems to be a good idea; you'll be able to find a good copy editor there, too. Regards, Matthewedwards :  Chat  02:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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