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The list was promoted by Dabomb87 15:35, 14 June 2010 [1].

Timeline of the 2003–04 South Pacific cyclone season edit

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Nominator(s): Yueof theNorth and User:Jason Rees 19:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that this article meets the FLC criteria. I wrote this article and I feel that I have dealt with concerns brought up in my previous FLC's. Also, Jason Rees edited the article to make it similar in format to the Timeline of the 2007-08 South Pacific cyclone season. Yueof theNorth 19:49, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from bamse (talk) 11:34, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
  • There is a dead external link. fixed
  • The graphic timeline is wider than my screen. changed to 800 px from 1000 px

bamse (talk) 21:06, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed the dead link and changed the timeline width to the normal width of 800 px from 1000 px. --Yueof theNorth 22:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. bamse (talk) 11:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some more comments/questions:

  • Intro is very short and has two extremely short paragraphs. Please expand. Information that a reader unfamiliar with the subject (i.e. me) might want to learn about:
    • Its not that short and i think bar adding damages there isnt anything else to be added.Jason Rees (talk) 03:00, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • That would be interesting. Also, since it says: "only three", what is a typical number of typhoons per season?bamse (talk) 20:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Ill try to knock something up later. Im sure i had added something about the average numbers to the notes section but it wasnt there when i looked so ive readded it.Jason Rees (talk) 00:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
added in more info --Yueof theNorth 22:07, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • What determines the start/end date. Are these fixed dates or do they change from season to season?
      • See [2] (Page 13) I am adding this to the article now. --Yueof theNorth 18:38, 26 May 2010 (UTC) added[reply]
        • I think the sentence (The season officially ran from November 1, 2003 to April 30, 2004 with the dates selected to encompass 9 of the 10 tropical cyclones.) might be misunderstood to mean that the dates were chosen in such a way that 9 out of 10 cyclones are included, while as far as I understand from [3], the dates are fixed and in that season it happened that one cyclone occured outside of the season. I am also confused about the numbers: which are the 9 cylones of that season? bamse (talk) 19:38, 26 May 2010

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I changed it, does it seem more clear now. BTW, there were no storms out of the season. --Yueof theNorth 19:47, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikilink and/or explain where the "South Pacific" is.
I added in a footnote stating where it is. (Equator to 40S and 160E to 120W) --Yueof theNorth 19:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why "East of 160E"?
      • Interesting question - we use 160E because its where RSMC Nadi and the BOM say the Australian region and South Pacific Start/End depending on the way you look at it.Jason Rees (talk) 17:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • I see. Could you add what the other borders (North, East, South) are since the South Pacific disambiguation page does not tell much. bamse (talk) 19:38, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
See above section. --Yueof theNorth 19:59, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • What are the meanings of the numbers?
      • The RSMC Nadi numbers are how many TD's they have monitored in a season within the SPAC. Whilst the JTWC ones are how many they think have formed within the whole of the SHEM.Jason Rees (talk) 17:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Could you add something like this to the article? bamse (talk) 19:38, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is in the second paragraph of the introduction. --Yueof theNorth 20:03, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Basically yes, but it does not mention that it is the count for this season (or any season for that matter). bamse (talk) 20:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
added in more info --Yueof theNorth 22:07, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Name the (three?) cyclones in the first image caption.
  • The graphical timeline shows 10F as a tropical depression while later on it says that it was (at some point) a tropical cyclone. Why?
    • Caught it.Jason Rees (talk) 18:57, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Did you change anything? bamse (talk) 19:38, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yeah i did change something - In one of the images it was being called a TC.Jason Rees (talk) 20:22, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • I see, I think my question was rather, why it is indicated as TD in the graphical timeline, while on April 8 it was a TC? Also fix the doubling of text in the third item of April 8. fixed doubles--Yueof theNorth 20:57, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
            • As for the cyclone thing i cant see where it says it was a TC on April 8, if you mean Tropical Storm then my response will be "Different Agencies different assessments of windspeeds".Jason Rees (talk) 21:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
              • Could you specify (in the timeline) or just before/after it, which agencie's data were chosen for it? bamse (talk) 14:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Added note in section header --Yueof theNorth 20:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Use consistently either 10F or 22P in the image captions or "10F (22P)" or some such.
  • In the track maps captions mention the direction which the cyclones took.
    • That would be rather redundant as i think it is obvious what track the cyclone took especially when you look at the image in conjunction with the timeline.Jason Rees (talk) 02:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorry, I don't get it. This track for instance looks symmetric (starting with blue triangles, then yellow circles, red circles, yellow circles, blue triangles). How can I know which way it went? bamse (talk) 20:01, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Theres white lines in between each blue triangle etc which shows which way it went.Jason Rees (talk) 21:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • Sure, but in which direction along the line did it go? From south to north or the other way aorund? bamse (talk) 10:32, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
            • Well since the article says it formed north of Fiji it went north to south.Jason Rees (talk) 11:39, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
              • The problem is that few people would know what the islands in that map are. Furthermore, it should not be necessary to crossread in the article in order to understand the images. Make it as easy as possible for the reader and just specify the direction in the image caption. Alternatively you could add directional arrows to the image. bamse (talk) 14:10, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If it helps, I added in the key to the image file description will add fotenotes about the paths in a moment. --Yueof theNorth 20:29, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
added in footnotes --Yueof theNorth 21:35, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

bamse (talk) 11:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, all comments have been addressed. bamse (talk) 15:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Courcelles (talk) 13:54, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
*Comments
  • "This is the period of the year when most tropical cyclones form within the south pacific ocean.[1]" Capitalize south pacific ocean.
  • "The United State's Joint" No, it's United States'
Fix those and I'll support. Courcelles (talk) 23:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "whilst the last disturbance dissipating" reads quite oddly to me, maybe "dissipated"? changed
  • I think "whilst" is overused.
    • I think Anhamirak has sorted this. let us know if you still think its overused.Jason Rees (talk) 15:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to 6 different' six. changed
  • "3 people were also killed by Cyclone Het" Three, and is that 3 included in the "at least 15"? changed and yes they are.
    • I made a slight mistake when i originally calculated the casualties which i have now sorted out.Jason Rees (talk) 15:34, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "caused by Cyclones Heta and Ivy the " comma after Ivy, and I don't think you need to repeat the fact they're Cyclones here. In fact, there's quite a lot of repetition of Cyclone in the lead, where it's not really needed after you've introduced each one. changed
  • Category 3 in the timeline appears to have a spare -
  • Don't put references on section headings.
    • Ive found a slightly better place for the note.Jason Rees (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "RSMC Nadi issues their" vs "RSMC Nadi issues its" consistency needed.
  • "RSMC Nadi issues the final" vs "RSMC Nadi issues its final"... once again, consistency preferred unless these have different meanings.
Both comments sorted i think.Jason Rees (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Date format in references must be consistent, i.e. all mdy or ISO or dmy. changed

The Rambling Man (talk) 11:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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