Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/The Fourteen Infallibles/archive2

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by User:Scorpion0422 11:58, 19 September 2008 [1].

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The Fourteen Infallibles

previous FLC (16:20, 18 August 2008)

• This list has reached FA criteria. I was failed last time duo to lack of attention, thus please check even if you're unfamiliar with the issue. --Seyyed(t-c) 01:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose FA criteria and FL criteria are different.
• the lists of people that are featured have faces too.
• the list fails to give any useful information except for the names and the period they lived in. What did these people do? Even for entry #1, you need a good description since ignorants outside Islamic countries do not actually know anything about it.
• since this is an English wiki, what does stuff like " Abu al-qasim" mean? Featured stuff should be possible to be printed, which renders the wikilinks useless.
• what is an Imam?????
• how is the infobox/picture useful to the list?
• I am not sure it is ok for an encyclopedia to reference other encyclopedias; certainly it is not ok for a FL to have more than 50% references that are encyclopedias
• going through the list/article, I certainly did not understand what is the relevance/notability of this list. I am sure this sounds like a blasphemy to a Muslim, but seriously, not everybody has read the Quran.
• I am not sure why is such an emphasis on their death.
• "868–unknown" ?????? This is an encyclopedia, where if you put death years you try to find estimates. I agree that the doctrine says he is still alive, but I am sure some sources are more precise.

Nergaal (talk) 05:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Also I agree with

I see no reason for this list. The imams are surely listed elsewhere (they deserve a list). That there are two more infallibles should not, it seems to me, matter much. Elsewhere there is surely a discussion of "infallibility" with a section on the Shi'ite doctrine. It is, of course, proper to mention that, in addition to the twelve Imams, Muhammad and Fatima are considered to be infallible. I am not sure how to do this in Wikipedia but the topic "The fourteen infallibles" should be reduced to a reference into the article of infallibility specifically at the place where Shi'ite doctrine is discussed.</ref>

For example if there is an article with all the UN members, then creating a list with all the UN-members + then independent countries that are not members (probably around 5) would be useless. This list brings little new, and is quite repetitious. Nergaal (talk) 05:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah, just found Twelve Imams. How is this (1) on par with that list; (2) bring anything new? Nergaal (talk) 05:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

The Fourteen Infallibles is a renown title and you can find list and article in notable sites.--Seyyed(t-c) 01:22, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

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