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Tamannaah filmography edit

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Nominator(s): Pavanjandhyala (talk) 11:53, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I created this list in June 2015 and actively reworked on it in April 2016. It has been copy-edited twice: once by Jaguar, and later by Twofingered Typist (GOCE). I have postponed it from nominating because of edit wars. Currently, the article is relatively stable. I'm looking forward for constructive comments, if any. Thank you. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 11:53, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update — Notified at the following talk pages: Noticeboard for India-related topics, WikiProject Maharashtra, WikiProject Mumbai, WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, and WikiProject Women. Regards, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 12:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from FrB.TG making a very brief return to FLC. I don't intend to revisit this nominations. Here are a few thoughts you can consider or dismiss:

  • "Tamannaah's breakthrough roles in Telugu and Tamil cinema came with Happy Days and Kalloori" - a respectively is needed here.
  • Done Added.
  • "Tamannaah had five roles in 2009 including:" - I think instead of the colon we need a comma before the word "including". I have not seen colon being used like this not at least in these examples.
  • Done Removed.
  • "one of the most sought-after actresses" - I think popular would do better than sought-after which reads kind of informal.
  • "a nomination in the Best Actress – Telugu category at the 59th" - in a lead consisting of only three paragraphs the usage of the word "category" is very frequent.
  • Reduced the occurrences to two.
  • "She appeared in four films in the following year" - the second "in" is unnecessary.
  • Done Removed.
  • " While Veeram was a profitable venture,[21] Entertainment was only a moderate success,[22] the remaining underperformed at the box office" - "while" is a conjunction used to combine two sentences, not three.
  • Good catch. Fixed it.
  • "Tamannaah played Avanthika, a warrior princess" - we do not need the name of her role unless it is a part of any literature or a character of historic significance. I see that some more are repeated in the next sentences; better leave them in the table.
  • Done as suggested.
  • For some reason, rowspan is discouraged in filmographies.
  • I don't think so. It is harmless enough; i'm able to sort the coloumns with no issues.
  • For bilingual films, I don't think you need to make two rows for them eg instead of Hindi<br>Tamil, you can simply use a comma i.e. Hindi, Tamil.
  • I don't think that it would be helpful. A sortable coloumn, Language may be affected because of this.
  • I think references look better in the center position.
  • Fixed it.

Support Although this needs a bit of work, I don't intend to return to this nomination so this is up to the nominator whether to consider my points or disagree with them explaining why. Overall this is a decent effort which with some work can be brought to FL status. Good luck. – FrB.TG (talk) 16:20, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking time and providing some comments. Considering that the reviewer shall not return, i should not expect anything more. Regards, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 09:58, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 10:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments by Cowlibob
  • "Tamannaah is an Indian actress who has appeared predominantly in Telugu and Tamil cinema apart from a few Hindi films.". How about Tamannaah is an Indian actress known for her work in Telugu and Tamil cinema.
  • Done
  • The next sentence sound awkward perhaps split into two sentences, one mentioning her acting debut and then the next one specifying she followed this with her debut in what she's known for.
  • Done As suggested.
  • What did critics think of her performance in the debut films? Sometimes people appreciate the performance even in box office disasters.
  • That is not the case here. She did received negative response.
  • Why were those films specifically her breakthrough roles? Was her performance appreciated, were they particularly profitable?
  • Both were the reason. I've specified the same.
  • Next sentence is awkward, mentioning she starred in five films but the only mentioning three in the sentence. Perhaps cut this sentence.
  • Done Removed.
  • What role did she play in Konchem Ishtam Konchem Kashtam?
  • Difficult to say. It was a simple romance, and she played a simple girl-next-door living in a village who visits the city on a vacation. I failed to mention this properly in the lead and hence backed out.
  • Was her role Kanden Kadhalai a complete copy of Kareena's in Jab We Met?
  • I didn't watch the film; Though the director refutes, the reviews say that the film is a faithful remake: 1, 2, 3
  • "By then, she had become one of the popular actresses in Tamil cinema". That's a superlative statement, perhaps back it up with why, had she starred in a number of films that were hits or her performance had been appreciated?
  • The second citation, authored by a trade analyst, says commercial success as the reason. I've added the same.
  • Any particular reason why she didn't star in a Telugu film for two years?
  • Source quotes her saying scheduling conflicts with other Tamil films.
  • "fetched" is too informal
  • Changed to "gained".
  • "from an unspecified era" not needed
  • Done Removed.
  • Any television roles?
  • Not yet.
  • I know she's had a short career but has Tamannaah changed the roles she takes during her career for example opting for more dramatic roles, less commercial to avoid being typecast?
  • I don't know. IMHO, she mostly manages to take roles that have some importance in the plot, at least minimum.
  • Any alternative references, where you've cited the film itself such as 40,33, 38. Using such references, makes it hard to verify.

Cowlibob (talk) 18:08, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Agreed. Sorry for the inconvenience. But, i could not find any. I will try once again, and shall try to change them.

@Cowlibob: Thanks for providing the comments and minor copy-edits. Looking forward for further constructive comments, if any. Regards, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 03:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support Good list. Although I would prefer if the primary sources were replaced for some awards and films. Cowlibob (talk) 10:52, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from - Vivvt (Talk) 07:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Vivvt
  • "She made her acting debut in" So far, she is only know as an actress. So "acting" debut is not needed.
  • Done Removed the term.
  • "with Sri and her Tamil debut". "her" not needed.
  • Done Removed.
  • "Tamannaah's performance in Konchem Ishtam Konchem Kashtam (2009) ... another nomination at the 57th Filmfare Awards South in the Best Actress – Tamil category." Both the sentences can be clubbed together as they repeat her nomination at 57th Filmfare Awards South in two languages. Also, Kareena Kapoor's mention is not needed. But you can take second opinion on that.
  • Clubbed them as per your suggestion.
  • "Due to her series of commercially successful films, she had become one of the popular actresses in Tamil cinema." Try rephrasing. Sounds little weird to me.
  • Tried to rephrase the sentence. Hope it looks fine now.
  • "She starred in five films in 2011 including 100% Love, which marked her return to Telugu films" I know source says "return" but one year gap is not return to me. Her last film was in 2009.
  • I would like to go with what the source says, though it is a gap of just 2 years.
  • Mention language for Siruthai.
  • Done
  • "Tamannaah played leading roles", "Tamannaah played the female lead". Be consistent.
  • Chose the second.
  • "Bilingual film", "Trilingual film" mention not needed as the language column displays the languages.
  • Removed them as per your suggestion.
  • Use "Sortname" template over "Sort" for names.
  • Done
  • Period not needed in the notes section.
  • Done Removed.

- Vivvt (Talk) 06:28, 9 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Vivvt: Thanks for the review. I've addressed your comments and am looking forward for further constructive comments if any. Regards, Pavanjandhyala (talk) 14:31, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support My comments have been resolved. All the best. - Vivvt (Talk) 07:03, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Image is appropriately licensed. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:33, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from —Vensatry (talk) 09:45, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Vensatry
  • Tamil and Telugu are piped to the film industries, but Hindi is linked to the language.
  • "The same year, she made her Telugu film debut with Sri and Tamil debut with Kedi the following year." -> Comma needed after Sri.
  • Done
  • "A series of commercially successful films established her as one of the notable actresses in Tamil cinema." - 'Notable' is a little problematic; something like "A series of commercially successful films helped her establish a career in Tamil cinema" would work.
  • 'While ...' is often discouraged in FLs.
  • Done Rephrased.
I thought "while" was a neutral replacement for terms like "despite" and "although". Kailash29792 (talk) 13:23, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
How about "Though"?
No, I'm talking about sentences beginning with 'while'. —Vensatry (talk) 13:40, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Tried rewording those lines. Hope i am successful.
  • Link "one of the highest grossing Indian films" appropriately.

Source review (spot checks included)

  • Ref #14 is incomplete
  • I don't know how to fix it. Kailash, can you help me?
  • Vensatry, how exactly is this ref "incomplete"? I know there isn't a URL in this ref, but the event was uploaded in separate parts on Dailymotion (albeit from unverified channels). What to do if there isn't a single-edited version? Kailash29792 (talk) 06:01, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • It needs a url (of course from a verified publisher). —Vensatry (talk) 08:31, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is pretty ironic that Filmfare and TOI published the winners, and non reliable sources too ignored the nominees. I don't see any proper way to find a URL. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 04:55, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs. #15, #45 need author
  • How i missed this? I've added them. Thanks for the catch. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 13:52, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is there a reason for not adding links in refs. #33, #37, #39, et al?
  • Linked the film title, director, and production company if possible.
  • Link India Today on the first instance.
  • Done
  • Random ones: #1, #2, #4, #11, #29, #42, #43, #56, #68, #76 - Material faithful to the source
  • Ref #3 says both the films were successful; it doesn't mention the 'breakthrough' thing.
  • Got it wrong somewhere. Changed it to first success.
  • Ref #38 doesn't mention Netru Indru Naalai
  • I found one source where the film's makers stated that Ninna Nedu Repu is a bilingual. But, the Tamil title was not specified. Any suggestion?
  • Ref #30 doesn't mention the director

—Vensatry (talk) 13:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kailash

  • Tamannaah performed an item number in the Kannada-Telugu bilingual Jaguar: "Sampige", but that is the Kannada title. I found that the song was titled "Mandara Thailam" in Telugu, but can a source be added for this? Even a video (but from a verified YouTube channel) will do.
  • Done
  • "Kannada language" redirects to "Kannada".
  • Done
  • I don't know, but is it fine to include her appearance in Jaguar in the lead? I say this due to it being her only Kannada film.

@Kailash29792 and Vensatry: Are you both satisfied with the responses to your comments? --PresN 20:27, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@PresN:Your take on the first point (under the source review)? Btw, {{ping}} doesn't work anymore. —Vensatry (talk) 11:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Vensatry: Yeah, right now that cite is actually to... the event itself. It's completely non verifiable without a time machine. You need a recording or a 3rd-party reference to refer to. Even a valid broadcast information would work, like Cite TV episode. --PresN 16:49, 2 December 2016 (UTC) (Oh, and {{ping}} and {{re}} are both just redirects to {{reply to}}, and I got your message, so... pretty sure ping still works (usually).)[reply]
Well, if that is the case, i have removed the reference and the content associated with it. And, it is unlikely that i may find something actually fit. So, anything else from my side to be addressed? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 17:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You still have three {{cite AV media}} refs. —Vensatry (talk) 19:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Vensatry: That's because there are no RSs (like Rediff, TOI, The Hindu, Hindustan Times) that show the actors' character names, as well as who the director is. There are reviews from IndiaGlitz (which is deemed unreliable by WP) however.  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 11:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@PresN and Vensatry: I've provided links from YouTube (obviously from verified publishers). Anything else? Pavanjandhyala (talk) 10:53, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
For YT links, you've used both 'cite AV Media' and 'cite web' templates. —Vensatry (talk) 08:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Vensatry: Rectified on Pavan's behalf.  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 11:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The publisher/work parameters are still inconsistent. —Vensatry (talk) 06:23, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Vensatry: Can you be more specific?  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 07:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In YT links. —Vensatry (talk) 08:45, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Vensatry: Just rectified them.  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 09:06, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Image caption is a fragment so no full stop required.
  • Done
  • Link ₹.
  • Done
  • Linked items in the table should be linked on every instance as the table is sortable.
  • Done
  • Sakthi Chidambaram instead of Shakti Chidambaram.
  • Done
  • N. Lingusamy instead of N. Linguswamy.
  • Done
  • "Nominated—Filmfare Award for Best Actress – Tamil" I thought it was Filmfare Award South?
Well, the event is "Filmfare Awards South", but the categories are split according to language. Kailash29792 (talk) 09:28, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 09:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kailash

The source doesn't say so. —Vensatry (talk) 12:21, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Kailash29792: Try using YouTube videos as refs. She's there in the songs "Gama Gama" and "Oru Nanban Irundhaal". Ironic, isn't it? Trishtrashers played Simran's friend in Jodi and here Tamannahspeaks plays Trishtrashers' friend.  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 12:37, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I hate this. Any police officer or high court would pass the videos as credible references (even though they are fan uploads), but (scoffs) Wikipedia wouldn't do the same. Now if we say Chand Sa Roshan Chehra was Tamannaah's debut film, it is wrong. But if we say it was her debut in a major role, others will be like, "what did she do before?" and that puts us in limbo. Was Tamannaah credited onscreen in Enakku 20 Unakku 18? Kailash29792 (talk) 12:51, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Kailash29792: Uncredited. I tried searching for other sources (in both English and Tamil), but none of them seem to say that Tamannah had an uncredited role in the film.  — Ssven2 Speak 2 me 13:05, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If we can't find a reliable source to support that part, you could just modify the lead to not say absolutely that the Chand Sa Roshan Chedra role was her debut, avoiding the issue altogether. For purposes of moving this FLC towards a conclusion, I suggest doing that. The extra role can always be added later if a good source presents itself. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Giants2008: I've changed it accordingly. Do check if it is okay.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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