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Suriya filmography edit

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Nominator(s):  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:45, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because Suriya is currently one of Tamil cinema's most versatile and successful actors with a large fanbase (who vandalise the majority of his articles). Constructive comments are most welcome.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:45, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Aoba47
  • The addition of the fact that he appeared with Vijayakanth in the second sentence of the lead's first paragraph is a little odd to me. What makes this stand out from his other co-stars in the other two films being listed? Why is this important for a reader to know? As someone who has no idea who either of these two people are, the importance of this mention is not made clear to me. If you feel that it is absolutely necessary to keep this fact in the list, then I would move it outside the parenthesis for the year and find a way to fit it into the sentence more seamlessly.
  • The phrase "Bala's second collaboration" is a little off as it literally means the director's collaboration with something that is not entirely made clear. Instead, I would say something along the lines of "Suriya's second collaboration with Bala" or "Bala's second collaboration with Suriya".
  • I am not sure about the (in which he played twins) construction. If you want to include this information, then I would recommend putting this information a little more seamlessly into the sentence.
  • The "In this" transition in the lead's final sentence is a little awkward. I would remove it and rephrase the beginning phrase "one of the year's highest-grossing Tamil films" as that can be a stronger beginning phrase/transition.
@Ssven2: Great job with this list! Once my comments are addressed, then I will support this nomination. Aoba47 (talk) 14:34, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Aoba47: I have hopefully resolved all your comments.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:02, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ssven2: Support: Great work with this list! I can definitely support this nomination. Good luck with it. Aoba47 (talk) 15:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Aoba47. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:02, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Kailash
  • I think "Ref." looks more formal than "Ref(s)". What do you think?
That's because in case more than one reference is added to support the content in the table I have written it as "Ref(s)" instead of "Ref".  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • All the refs in the table can be centered (type |style="text-align:center;"| before each ref).
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could it be mentioned somewhere that Rakta Charitra was a two-part film? I have not heard of a single-edited version (the Tamil dub Ratha Sarithiram covers mainly the second part).
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the lead, you describe Suriya as playing only one role in 7aum Arivu - Damo. You could vaguely mention he also played Aravind (perhaps you could write "...and his fictional descendant".)
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done. As asked.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:54, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please see that Aoba47 agrees with my comments. Otherwise it's very much FLC worthy. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:43, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Your comments seem appropriate, and I agree with them. Aoba47 (talk) 16:04, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Kailash29792: I have resolved your comments.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 17:41, 20 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support: I promise you this support of mine is not a display of COI, but because this list indeed does look worthy of FL. --Kailash29792 (talk) 07:08, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Kailash29792: I just glad you did support it. Thank you.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:11, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Yashthepunisher
  • I suggest you should trim the last sentence from the lead.
  • Is it important to mention that he dubbed for Guru? Since it was a hindi film and dubbed versions aren't of much significance.
  • Is the video in ref 49 and 64 from a RS?
  • "In 2005, Suriya starred in three Tamil films:" Is it necessary to mention 'tamil films', since he primarily works in them?

Yashthepunisher (talk) 14:38, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Yashthepunisher: Resolved [1] and [4]. As for [2], he is credited with the dubbing for Junior B. In case of [3], refs 49 and 64 are the only ones available. I have even shown the time where he appears. Cinema Junction is a well-known YouTube channel, just doesn't have a Wiki Article. The MSK video is official BTW.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 15:13, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not satisfied with #2. Yashthepunisher (talk) 15:44, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Yashthepunisher: Usually dubbing is done by less prominent actors. A currently leading actor dubbing for a dubbed version is significant as far as Tamil cinema is concerned. It did create some buzz during its release as seen from 1.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 16:10, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Seconding Editor 2050, I think its better to remove his dubbing credit. It can be mentioned if its a billingual film not otherwise. Yashthepunisher (talk) 16:53, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Yashthepunisher: I have resolved Editor 2050's comments. I have created a separate list of his other crew positions a la Kamal Haasan filmography and Vikram filmography. Do let me know if there is anything else. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:16, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Yashthepunisher. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 14:24, 25 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Editor 2050
  • Sorry, just wanted to say that I'm also against the inclusion of his dubbing credit - it's like telling someone that Arvind Swamy played Simba in Lion King or Silambarasan played Jamal Malik in Slumdog Millionaire - maybe it should be left in the text or have a totally different "other credits" section/table like how it is on Vikram's filmography.
  • Again - "distributor" - I am sure Suriya has distributed several of his film's before - he usually takes the Telugu rights home too. Again, potentially remove it or put it in an another table.
  • In fact, could the table purely just be for acting roles? I am sure that is what most visitors to his article hope to see. The remainder could be inserted in a separate table?
  • Also Pasanga 2 was a guest appearance/extended cameo, I guess.
  • Manmadhan Ambu could say "Special appearance in the song Oyyale (?)" - Does he appear for anything else, I cannot remember?
  • The age old question - are Rakta Charitra and Rakht Charitra two different films? Is this the best way to list it?
  • Should we get rid of the award credits and put them in an article elsewhere?

Editor 2050 (talk) 16:29, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Editor 2050: Rakta Charitra is a two-part film with the same name. I have created a separate list of his films as actor and his other credits. Do let me know if there is anything else. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 17:52, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome, Support. Editor 2050 (talk) 19:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Editor 2050. Your thoughts and comments are greatly appreciated.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 20:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ssven2 - it could potentially be made clear that he dubbed for the Tamil version of Guru and The Ghazi Attack, rather than the originals. Editor 2050 (talk) 16:32, 29 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Editor 2050: Read the footnotes [e] and [f], my friend. I have stated it clearly there. Besides, the information would look bloated on the list.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 07:20, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from The Rambling Man
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 11:37, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
*"His career prospects improved " I don't think this is necessary considering the following sentence describes it as as success.
  • I've just seen Tamil cinema linked, I would advocate you expand the first sentence to say "Tamil language films" and link it overtly.
  • Link Filmfare Awards in "his first Filmfare Best Actor award", or even the actual award list page.
  • " year's highest-grossing Tamil films of the year" either "year's" or "of the year", but not both.

The Rambling Man (talk) 11:19, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments have been resolved, The Rambling Man.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 11:30, 1 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Cowlibob
Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 14:31, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
*Why was his cinematic debut successful? Was it commercially successful and or his performance praised?
  • Ref 12, 13, 14 need ndashes.
  • Ref 6 says that Nandha received critical acclaim not that he specifically received praise. Although you could mention that he won the Tamil Nadu state award for Nandha which is in ref 7.
  • Need a ref for Suriya being praised for both Kaakha Kaakha and Pithamagan.
  • Ref 10 gives me a 403 error "You are banned from this site".
  • Not clear which ref supports that his performance in 24 was praised. Ref 28 mentions it being one of the highest grossing of the year and ref 27 seems to be about the film getting minutes cut from its runtime prior to release.

Cowlibob (talk) 19:27, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your comments have been resolved, Cowlibob.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 08:16, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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