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Superfly discography

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Nominator(s): Prosperosity (talk) 10:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it satisfies the FL criteria. Prosperosity (talk) 10:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Comment by an IP

*The discography of Japanese musical act Superfly consists of five studio album → Japanese band Superfly has released...

• Sales (JPN) → Sale (Japan) (hmmm...I think so!)
• Ref. → {{Abbr|Ref.|Reference}}
• {{Reflist|2}} → {{Reflist|30em}}

That's all! 42.112.232.105 (talk) 07:11, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

'Band' implies multiple members, but Superfly has only a single member at the moment, so I don't know if that's really appropriate! I've made all of the other changes. --Prosperosity (talk) 09:03, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Resolved comments from shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:36, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Comments by shaidar cuebiyar

• Article needs citations for release dates, band formation (and who's part of it), and signing with labels.

I've added information for the EPs, formation, their Warner contract and members, but the pre-existing link for the chart positions (http://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/417999/products/) already includes all of the album release dates, so this shouldn't be necessary, right?

This is good.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:35, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

• Tabo's status with Superfly needs further detail after "remained attached". The degree of contribution has changed; by the time of White (2015) only the one track, albeit a single, appears – this is much reduced from the previous album.

Added sources and information.

• Combine the last two ¶¶, each consist of two or three sentences.

Fixed.

• Reword ¶2 sentence "The band's song..."

Fixed.

• Once the ¶¶ are combined, the sentence "Since debuting in 2007,..." will need to be reworded to integrate it better with the previous sentence.

Fixed.

• Does "six albums reaching number one in Japan" count the video album, Shout in the Rainbow!!?

It doesn't, because the citing body Oricon does not consider DVDs to be albums (http://www.oricon.co.jp/news/2029219/full/), and has a separate chart for video releases. I've altered the prose to show this refers to the albums chart in particular.

This is better.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:35, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

• How do you define "most commercially successful songs"? In terms of sales or charting, "Wildflower", seems more successful than any track mentioned in the Lead.

Tamashii Revolution sold 500,000+ digital copies, while Alright sold 500,000+ digital copies and 500,000+ ringtones. Wildflower sold 250,000+ digital copies by itself, and "Wildflower" & Cover Songs: Complete Best 'Track 3', a four-tracked single with a bonus album attached sold 315,000 physical copies. Listing Wildflower as Superfly's most successful single is technically correct, but is horribly misleading, it really can't claim to be the reason why people bought the release. I could add some prose about this in the lead, if you'd like.

Such clarification is needed for the uninformed reader (e.g. me). It seemed contradictory to the information available in the wikitable.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:35, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

• Add sales and certifications to appropriate tables.

Could you describe what you'd like me to do? All releases with citable sales and certifications have them tabulated.

I'm talking about changing the second line of relevant wikitables, e.g. |+ List of albums, with selected chart positions to |+ List of albums, with selected chart positions, sales and certifications Or similar, depending on the subsection.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:35, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

*Explain why some singles are combined in the table for either/both positions and sales. e.g. "Koisuru Hitomi wa Utsukushii" and "Yasashii Kimochi de". I assume its because they are double-A sided, but considered separately by Billboard JPN 100.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:00, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Yup, Oricon has only a single criterion (physical sales), while Billboard mixes physical with radio airplay, digital sales, social media data and how often people stick CDs into their computers. I've added a note to the positions. --Prosperosity (talk) 11:28, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Better.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 08:35, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Okay, how is this version now? I've made the further fixes and added prose about Wildflower. --Prosperosity (talk) 11:03, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

• Talking about prose, I have problems with:
  • "began as a musical unit" > "began as a duo" ('musical' is redundant here, 'unit' is confusing considering the later arrangement).
  • "for the Misaki Ito-starring drama Edison no Haha, entitled "Ai o Komete Hanataba o"." > ""Ai o Komete Hanataba o", for the TV drama, Edison no Haha, starring Misaki Ito." Restructured, provides better focus for the Superfly connection.
  • "became extremely successful commercially, becoming" > "was" Let the reader decide if this is 'extremely successful commercially', which otherwise sounds close to puffery.
  • "has one number one single" > "has a number-one single" sounds better, also 'number-one' for adjectival usage.
  • Adjust over use of the term "band", replace some with "artist", "act", or other.
  • Fix two "debut" in one sentence.
  • Add hard space to "number one", when used as a noun.
  • "The band saw continued success, with six" > "Six"
  • "reaching" > "reached".shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:21, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
• Fixed. --Prosperosity (talk) 07:36, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Support ~– Well done, Prosperosity.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:36, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Comments by Cartoon network freak

Lead

*discography of Japanese musical act -> discography of Japanese rock group

Superfly releases music in several genres, and I'd need additional sources for the genre.

• three compilation albums -> three compilations

• 'Compilation albums' is the category listed at the side, so it should be consistent!

• twenty-seven singles -> 27 singles

• All of the numbers in the prose should be a consistent style (either figures or written in full), and as there are many small figures it's better for these to be written out.

• Superfly began as a musical unit formed in 2003 by vocalist Shiho Ochi and guitarist Koichi Tabo and signed with Warner Music Japan in 2007. -> Superfly debuted as a musical act in 2003, being formed by Shiho Ochi and guitarist Koichi Tabo. Afterwards, they signed to Warner Music Japan in 2007.

• Debuted implies a label and a release, which didn't happen for five years later, and I don't think we say "being formed by" when talking about bands, only like geological processes and things like that, but I've made the sentence a little bit shorter.

• Tabo removed himself from the band's line-up in 2007 during promotional activities for their single "I Spy I Spy", finding it difficult to work as both the band's songwriter and guitarist. -> Tabo leaved the band's line-up in 2007 during the releasing process of their promotional single "I Spy I Spy", finding it difficult to work as both the band's songwriter and guitarist.

I've simplified that part.

• Tabo remained attached -> However, Tabo remained attached

Done.

• Superfly, composing -> Superfly, with it composing

Tabo is a man, and "with him composing" doesn't sound right to me.

• for the unit, until -> for the unit until

Done.

• sing the theme song for the Misaki Ito-starring drama Edison no Haha, entitled "Ai o Komete Hanataba o". -> sing the theme song for Misaki Ito-starring drama, Edison no Haha, entitled "Ai o Komete Hanataba o".

Already changed above.

• The track became commercially successful in Japan, with it being eventually certified Million for digital downloads by the RIAJ.
• The band's debut album Superfly (2008), released three months later, debuted at number one on the Japanese Oricon albums chart. -> The band's debut album, Superfly (2008), was released three months later and debuted at number one on the Japanese Albums Chart.

Done.

• saw continued success -> saw continuous success

Removed.

• their releases between 2008 and 2013 -> their subsequent releases

That means all later releases, but White only got to number two.

• on Oricon's albums chart. -> in Japan

There are two major charts in Japan, Oricon and Billboard, so it needs to be clarified.

• certified Double Platinum -> certified 2x Platinum

All the numbers in the prose should be consistently written in full or consistently use numbers, so 'Double Platinum' is probably better!

• Superfly has -> Superfly achieved

Done.

• song "Wildflower" -> song, "Wildflower"

Done. --Prosperosity (talk) 07:36, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Further comments (@Prosperosity)

• The headers are not correctly used, nor is the article sorted in an appropriate way, use Hilary Duff discography as an example as to how we use headers in discographies.

• Done.

• Remove all appearances of "(JPN)" in the tables, they're unnecessary.

• Done.

• Sales (Japan) -> Sales; 510,000 -> JPN: 510,000 and so on. E.G, don't forget to link the first use of JPN to Recording Industry Association of Japan.

• RIAJ don't release sales; these sales are sourced from Oricon. But otherwise, done.

• The release dates of albums (compliation, DVD...) need to be accompanied by an iTunes or JVC link to prove their release (see Inna discography).

• They are; the Oricon link for albums and singles positions features a detailed list all of the original release dates, meaning additional citations for this data isn't necessary. For all releases not included in the link, I've already included additional citations.

• The songs need to be accompanied by an iTunes or JVC link toprove their release. (again, see Inna discography as an example).

• As above; but with additional sources for non-physically released singles.

• The translations of singles are unnecessary.

• Not according to WP:MJ's advice on using Japanese script in lists. Can you explain why this is not necessary for an article dealing with a non-English topic?

• The use of N/A is partially wrong (see Inna discography). --Cartoon network freak (talk) 12:14, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

• Fixed. --Prosperosity (talk) 02:56, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Note/Hint/etc. - I have my own FLC Candidate Mexican National Lightweight Championship and I figured giving is the best way of getting feedback.

Comments

Lead

• Looking at MOS:FOREIGN I believe the Japanese song titles such as "Ai o Karada ni Fukikonde" should be in italics
• Speaking of, may I suggest that each song title has the English translated afterwards ("Yada-Yada" in English) or something to that effect.
• Not sure what "certified Million" means for download - is there perhaps an appropriate link?
• RIAJ should be spelled out the first time it's used
• NHK should either be spelled out or at least specified that it's a Japanese tv channel.

Table

• The Extended Plays list really sticks out as having a totally different format. why is that?
• Also there are a lot of non-"Discography" in the list, is that normal in articles labelled as "Discography"??

Sources

• Barks - Reliable source as per WP:RS?
• natalie.mu - Reliable?
• Spaceshower.com - Reliable?

This is the first Discography list I have reviewed so I don't know what the standards are, but in general it looks good, close o FL. MPJ-US  02:03, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, after 2 months this nomination has only received one support, and the nominator hasn't returned to address the latest review after several weeks. Closing as not promoted. --PresN 19:59, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

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