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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 05:44, 4 October 2008 [1].

Ricki-Lee Coulter discography edit

Self-nomination. I have significantly contributed to the list and believe it meets all attributes of the featured list criteria. The discography follows the same format as Joel Turner discography, a featured list supported just a week ago. I'm willing to address all concerns and will check this candidacy several times a day. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 00:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notes: Ricki-Lee Coulter has only charted in Australia (except for her U Wanna Little of This extended play, on non-notable UK component charts). Hpfan9374 (talk) 00:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou for your comments, Ealdgyth. Its a very handy tool. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Lead
    • The release performed poorly, despite producing two top ten singles, certified gold by the ARIA. - "the release performed poorly" violates WP:NPOV.
    • The release was certified platinum twice by the ARIA and produced two top ten singles, certified platinum and gold by the ARIA.[5] - How about 'The release was certified platinum twice by the ARIA and produced two top ten singles, which were also certified platinum and gold by the ARIA.?
    • She released an extended play, U Wanna Little Of This in 2008, with major record label Ministry of Sound. - no need for comma after 2008, I also don't understand why the link to major record label is pipelinked to Music industry.
  • General comment
    • You should add a dash aligned in the center in the tables that don't have information, I'm talking about the certifications columns.
  • Solo
    • I feel there is no need for the note about the single being a "current single." It's already ranked and will be off the charts in a couple of weeks.

Notify when done :)--SRX 00:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I feel I have made the necessary changes. Thankyou very much for your comments you have once again expanded both the article and my knowledge. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Shaidar_cuebiyar
  • Lead
    • Does she perform/record as Ricki-Lee? Or only as Ricki-Lee Coulter?
The artists' article is called Ricki-Lee Coulter. She records as Ricki-Lee, though as a past Idol contestant, Ricki-Lee Coulter should be used. It's a real dilemma. I suggest keeping the name Ricki-Lee Coulter discography, as Ricki-Lee discography redirects here anyway. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't expect the article to be renamed but the Lead should refer to the fact that some material is released under the alternate name. (More on this later: see refs for video directors).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. How do you propose this be done; "Ricki-Lee Coulter, often shorten to Ricki-Lee is an Australian..." I would appreciate some assistance here. Thanks. Hpfan9374 (talk) 07:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Album titles (studio albums and EPs) should be italicised: you've missed a few.
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Young Divas - did she join them after they were formed or was she a co-founder? Reword the sentence to straighten this out.
She was a co-founder. Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Overlinking terms - e.g.1 ARIA does not need to be linked four times in such a short space, just once. (After the first mention that ARIA certifies gold records it does not need to be mentioned in the Lead (keep in refs though), its implicit that certs are from ARIA unless otherwise specified - but that's up to you.) e.g.2 gold only needs one wikilink in Lead.
I agree it is implicit. Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nearly, you've missed the of instead of Of. See WP:MUSTARD for more of same.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 07:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refs
    • For newspaper refs: Use cite news instead of cite web. All newspaper names should be given in full and italicised. e.g. The Courier Mail. Authors names should be given where available: I found two fairly easily.
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite. Don't you like Guy Blackman? ... who wrote "On the road with Ricki Lee". I've also found yet another author fairly quickly. You've got more work to do on these. Check each article closely, authors names are usually near top or bottom of article. Some of these are reprints of original article found elsewhere: sometimes they leave the author's name behind. In any case, original site is preferable to reprint site (even if it acknowledges original).Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have read the news articles thoroughly and have found another author's name. I have edited both authors, Guy Blackman and Sarah Nicholson to the references. Hpfan9374 (talk) 07:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • All Australian Charts Portal or australian-charts.com refs can be combined by Discography Ricki-Lee, which summarises both her albums and singles charts.
Never seen this before, it's very good. Thanks and fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Check the two video director refs. Something confusing is happening: the titles appear to have been swapped. Also, one of the refs takes me to just a general page and I don't see any Ricki-Lee video information there: is it on a sub-page? If so, fix the url to go directly to where the information is that you're referring to.
Changed the names on references around. Also changed the reference to Bart Borghesi to his curriculum vitae, as the site recently changed to a flash-based website. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In changing this reference you will have to add, |format=PDF
into your ref, so that users will realise they'll be downloading an additional file. This particular ref also reinforces need for "Ricki-Lee" or "Ricki Lee" to be added to Lead sentence, if I search this page for "Ricki-Lee Coulter" or "Coulter" how many of her videos do I get?Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. How do you propose this be done; "Ricki-Lee Coulter, often shorten to Ricki-Lee is an Australian..." I would appreciate some assistance here. Thanks. Hpfan9374 (talk) 07:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notify when done :)--Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I feel I have made the necessary changes. Thankyou very much for your comments you have expanded both the article and my knowledge. Notified. Hpfan9374 (talk) 01:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
More required, see above.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou very much for your additional comments. I believe I have made the necessary changes. Notified. Hpfan9374 (talk) 07:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Rather than have a 'Miscellaneous' table my preference would be to rename it 'Contributions', as it would appear that Coulter has contributed a track to that compliation album - are there any other contributions that she has made?
I have renamed it to 'Contributions' as requested. Coulter has not many any other original contributions. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the 'Miscellaneous' table don't have a separate column for references - this probably should be a footnote - check Paul Kelly discography
Footnote added. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the infobox it indicates there are footnotes when there are none
There is now a footnote, as requested above. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • For consistency the table for the 'Extended plays' should have columns for peak chart positions and certifications
I have edited the 'Extended plays' and included peak chart positions and certifications columns. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The standard convention for discographies appears to be that rather than 'Studio albums' it be 'Studio releases' and if you do this then the 'Extended plays' should be incorporated into a single table 'Studio releases'.
No thanks. This convention is only used in Paul Kelly discography. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Similarly there probably should only be one table for 'Singles' with "Good Times" incorporated into that table - with a footnote explanation as to the fact Coulter performed as one of the overall group or performers.
Okay. Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk)`
Thankyou very much for your support Shaidar cuebiyar. I greatly appreciated your comments and assistance; they help me expand as a wikipedian. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk)

Comments

  • Rather than have a 'Miscellaneous' table my preference would be to rename it 'Contributions', as it would appear that Coulter has contributed a track to that compliation album - are there any other contributions that she has made?
I have renamed it to 'Contributions' as requested. Coulter has not many any other original contributions. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the 'Miscellaneous' table don't have a separate column for references - this probably should be a footnote - check Paul Kelly discography
Footnote added. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the infobox it indicates there are footnotes when there are none
There is now a footnote, as requested above. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • For consistency the table for the 'Extended plays' should have columns for peak chart positions and certifications
I have edited the 'Extended plays' and included peak chart positions and certifications columns. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The standard convention for discographies appears to be that rather than 'Studio albums' it be 'Studio releases' and if you do this then the 'Extended plays' should be incorporated into a single table 'Studio releases'.
No thanks. This convention is only used in Paul Kelly discography. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Similarly there probably should only be one table for 'Singles' with "Good Times" incorporated into that table - with a footnote explanation as to the fact Coulter performed as one of the overall group or performers.
Okay. Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk)`

Notify when done :)-- Dan arndt (talk) 01:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I feel I have made the necessary changes. Thankyou very much for your comments you have expanded both the article and my knowledge. Notified. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Additional Comment

  • In the lead paragraph it states 'The release reached the top thirty, producing two top ten singles...' however it doesn't indicate which top thirty charts you are refering to (i.e Australian music sales charts)
Fixed, I have specified the ARIA Charts. Thanks. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I feel I have made the necessary changes. Thankyou very much for your comments you have expanded both the article and my knowledge. Notified. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved stuff from Cannibaloki

Comments

  • "Ricki-Lee Coulter, often shortened to Ricki-Lee..." ?
Requested by supporter Shaidar cuebiyar. The artists' article is called Ricki-Lee Coulter. She records as Ricki-Lee, though as a past Idol contestant, Ricki-Lee Coulter should be used. It's a real dilemma. What do you suggest I do?
Don't need make anything more, I understand this sentence, after your explanation (of course). Cannibaloki 03:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • "Coulter" (×4) on lead!
The second and fourth occurrences of "Coulter" have been replaced with "Ricki-Lee". Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Studio albums
    • Peak chart positions > AUS[10] → AUS peak<br />positions[10]
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Certifications → AUS certifications
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Extended plays
    • Remove: Peak chart positions & Certifications (fully redundant!)
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Singles
    • Peak chart positions > AUS[10] (Please, don't use this when you have just one column.) → AUS peak<br />positions[10]
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Certifications → AUS certifications
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Upcoming compilation album (?) → non-album single
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • width="175" to Singles, Music videos, and Other appearances (refers to Song width)
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Contributions → Other appearances (also should be in the infobox)
Fixed and placed "Other appearances" in the infobox. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Where is the reference to song "Proud Mary"?
Under "Other appearances" click "[nb 2]" and this will direct you to a footnote as requested by supporter Shaidar cuebiyar. At the end of this footnote, it is referenced by ref 17. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose With their poorly layout, this list become several redundancies. Cannibaloki 16:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou very much for your comments. I have addressed all your objections, except the lead sentence, I request your assistance in fixing this. Otherwise, I believe I've fixed everything. Hpfan9374 (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks much better now. Cannibaloki 03:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou very much for your support Cannibaloki. I greatly appreciated your comments and assistance; they help me expand as a wikipedian. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk)
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose - lead needs work, everything seems in order....

  • Three paras in the lead is too much for an article of this length per WP:LEAD - try two.
Should the "Young Divas" sentence: "The release was certified platinum twice and produced two top ten singles, "This Time I Know It's for Real" and "Happenin' All Over Again", certified platinum and gold respectively" be removed? Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You don't need to remove stuff, just merge it. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "...came to prominence after placing seventh on the second season of Australian Idol ..." - really? 7th place in Pop Idol usually results in complete anonymity. Did she come to prominence after being given a record deal despite coming 7th?
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Ricki-Lee co-founded girl group Young Divas and released their commercially ..." - gone from singular (Ricki-Lee) to plural (released their)... - reads oddly.
I don't know how else to word it. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"...Divas and with them released the commercially successful..."? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "which were also certified platinum and gold" - again reads a little odd since you just said "two singles" - which singles were certified what?
Specified the singles and their certification individually. Hpfan9374 (talk) 07:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Linked. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "in 2008 with major record label" - what do you mean by "major"?
Removed "major" from "major record label". Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "is currently working" - context - date it, so "As of September 2008..."
Fixed. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:57, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou very much for your comments. I have addressed several of your objections, however require further assistance in address lead length and singular to plural sentences. Hpfan9374 (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou very much for your further assistance, The Rambling Man. I have merged the paragraphs and changed the sentence as requested. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 02:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak support not keen on the placement of the references in the Singles table but other than that, no big problems. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou very much for your support The Rambling Man. I greatly appreciated your comments and assistance; they help me expand as a wikipedian. Thanks! Hpfan9374 (talk) 23:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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