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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 01:46, 6 December 2008 [1].

Pendulum discography edit

I am nominating this discography because I believe it to be complete and well-referenced, and because I feel it now satisfies all featured list criteria. The list had a peer review about two months ago – Ikara talk → 11:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved review from SRX [TRUco]

Oppose - fails FL Cr 1,2, and 3

  • Pendulum is an Australian drum and bass band originating from Perth. - like U.S. states, Perth is in a Australian state, so it should be Perth, Western Australia (or the correct state name).
Done – Ikara talk → 12:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pendulum was formed in 2002 by Rob Swire, Gareth McGrillen and Paul "El Hornet" Harding in Perth, Western Australia. - if what I recommended is done above, then remove Western Australia from this sentence.
Done, with above – Ikara talk → 12:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Their first individual release was the double A-side "Spiral / Ulterior Motive" in July 2003.[2] The single was only released in New Zealand and did not receive much publicity, but later that year their track "Vault" was met with widespread underground recognition. - These are connected, but in the first sentence it should be stated that it was their first individual singles release. What is verifying the statement about underground recognition?
Done, specified that it was the first individual singles release, and added reference for the latter statement – Ikara talk → 00:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soon after the band relocated to the United Kingdom, where they were joined by guitarist Perry ap Gwynedd, drummer Paul Kodish, and MC Ben "the Verse" Mount. - is the "ap" supposed to be there?
Comment – his full name is "Perry ap Gwynedd", checking various sources including the band's official website will confirm this. So the "ap" is supposed to be there – Ikara talk → 12:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Five singles were taken from the album, including "Slam / Out Here", the first single by Pendulum to reach the top forty in the UK Singles Chart. - it sounds like Pendulum literally took only 5 songs and ranked them on the UK Chart. This would be better worded as Five singles were produced from the album, etc.
Done, as proposed – Ikara talk → 12:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Two further singles were released; the Pendulum remix of "Voodoo People" originally by The Prodigy, which reached number twenty in the UK charts and was the band's most successful single for almost three years,[4] and "Blood Sugar / Axle Grinder", which was later amended to the re-issue of Hold Your Colour due to its popularity. - this is going to need a full stop somewhere, or a semicolon, this is a ridiculously long sentence. Also, when were these singles released, it is not stated?
Done, separated into four sentences along with both release dates – Ikara talk → 00:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source for this statement Contains a cut version of Pendulum's performance at the iTunes Festival 2008, consisting only of songs performed from the album In Silico. in the live albums section?
Done, reference added – Ikara talk → 12:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source for this statement Contains songs written by Pendulum, as well as by other artists that have been mixed by Pendulum. - in the compilation section?
Done, reference added – Ikara talk → 12:42, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Has there been an attempt to look for the missing directors in the music videos section, if so, instead of leaving them blank, place an emdash there or the word Unknown with a footnote explaining why they could not be found.
Done, the remaining three directors have been found and added with references – Ikara talk → 00:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

--TRUCO: 00:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good so far, but what about my other comments that have no replies?--TRUCO 21:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the split reply, I have been fairly busy and tracking down the three missing video directors took me several hours over the last few days. Hopefully I have now addressed all the problems you found with the article. Thanks for all the suggestions, they were very helpful – Ikara talk → 00:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - my review was addressed and it now meets WP:WIAFL. +Your welcome :)--TRUCO 17:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for all the reasons given above, but especiailly for the missing directors. Writing unknown might be ok for one entry, but for half of them it clearly does not meet "comprehensive", no matter if finding the director is not a simple websearch. Sometimes getting featured content requires more hard work - there is no way that this info is inherently uncitable.— Preceding unsigned comment added by yobmod (talk • contribs) 09:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully I have also addressed your concerns with the article now, the missing directors have all been added. If you can find any other issues holding this article back from FL status I would be grateful. All the best – Ikara talk → 00:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Looks much better. Support.Yobmod (talk) 08:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support All my issues were resolved at the peer review, and the article now meets all criteria. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:30, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question What makes rolldabeats.com a reliable source? I couldn't find much info on it on the main page. It looks questionable to me, and since you rely so heavily on it in your citations, it's kind of a make-or-break issue for me. Drewcifer (talk) 22:54, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rolldabeats is a database compiled by a small team of volunteers in a fashion similar to IMDb, however unlike IMDb no information is directly submitted by the general public. New data and corrections can be proposed by various people, including the artists, via the forums or email, but are only published on the website after they have been verified by one member of the team. As such I believe Rolldabeats to be reliable as a tertiary source for the purpose of citing track listings as in the article currently. An alternative for the article would be to cite the liner notes of each release instead, which would be considered reliable but prevents readers from easily verifying the information. My preference would be to use Rolldabeats, but if you disagree that it is reliable then I can change the citations as appropriate – Ikara talk → 12:03, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Use the liner notes in addition to Rolldabeats. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:21, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, the article now references the liner notes of the releases directly where appropriate, and then provides the Rolldabeats for support. Hopefully that should address any concerns over the reliability of the references in the article. Thanks for the suggestion – Ikara talk → 15:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Better, but the one use of it still bothers me. I see what your saying about how info is added to the cite, but it's not just important that it seems "reliable" in quotes, but satisfies Wikipedia's definition of "reliable". I'm not so sure it does. Also, along the same lines, mvdbase.com is not considered reliable. Drewcifer (talk) 08:43, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are you referring to the one remaining reference that uses rolldabeats directly, or the use of it to support the other references? I could probably remove the one reference (I overlooked it when changing the others) but I feel that we should keep the rolldabeats links with the other references. The mvdbase.com reference was a replacement for this reference which I was unsure about the reliability of. I expect I can find a substitute reference shortly. Thanks – Ikara talk → 02:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Looks good. =) Cannibaloki 02:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from Cannibaloki

Comments

  • Certifications (sales thresholds) → BPI certification
Done, although this may eventually have to be reverted should the band receive certification in other countries – Ikara talk → 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Warner Music UK Ltd. → Warner Music
Done – Ikara talk → 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove: "Recorded: 28 July 2008" or move to notes (live albums' table)
Removed, that information shouldn't be there at all, it isn't on any other albums – Ikara talk → 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why has space between word and reference? (like the entire 'Music videos', 'Remixes' & 'Miscellaneous' sections)
Removed, the spacing was personal preference, but doesn't comply with MoS – Ikara talk → 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Miscellaneous → Other appearances (more normal)
Done – Ikara talk → 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove 'Radio mixes' section – remember, this is a discography
Removed, these were left over from when I started, I was unsure if they should be kept at the time – Ikara talk → 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I suggest that you merge the sections 'Remixes' and 'Miscellaneous' to 'Other appearances'.
Merged, however I have kept the remixes and original songs in separate subsections to make some distinction between original and covered material. Not sure if that is what you meant – Ikara talk → 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Pendulum remix) on the section remixes is redundant.
Removed – Ikara talk → 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cannibaloki 21:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All done (I think), thanks for the suggestions – Ikara talk → 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the "radio mixes" are not needed, and that Remixes and misc would look better combined. If that is done, i would support this as being inline with other discog. FLs. Dillypickle (talk) 13:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The sections have been merged, sort of, and I have removed the "radio mixes" section – Ikara talk → 01:55, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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