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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 22:50, 12 January 2010 [1].

Madonna videography edit

Nominator(s): --Legolas (talk2me) 07:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe this embodies the videography of American recording artist Madonna completely and is a complete list of her releases, including their notability and controversies surrounding it. --Legolas (talk2me) 07:44, 18 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from 12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 10:00, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Comment. That's a huge lead! Here are my objections:
    • "The year 1995 saw the release of "Bedtime Story" from the same album. At the time of its release, the music video for the song was the most expensive video to be ever made, with production cost of $2 million." That can't be right. "Express Yourself" cost $5 mil. and it was the most expensive at its time. Also, "Bedtime Story" is said to have cost 5 mil too: here.
    • "Madonna wore leotard in the video and had her hair in curls. This look was carried in the music videos for the other singles from the album namely, "Sorry", "Get Together" and "Jump"." Not true. She did not wear a leotard in "Get Together" or "Jump" and definately not curls in the latter, as she had a blond bob wig.
      • Didn't she wore a leotard in the alternate version of Get Together eh? Oh well, removed. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:42, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Oh, I guess I forgot about that one, my bad. You can add it back if you want.
    • Why not mention that "Die Another Day" is second most expensive video in history?
    • There is no source for Mary Lambert as the director of "Like a Virgin" and "Material Girl". That's all from me.
    • Should these issues be adressed, I will gladly support. --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 12:28, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:18, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Festive comments
  • Infobox image caption...
    • En-dash needed for range.
    • "Her tours are accompanied by vivid visuals as seen in the performance." - not really needed at all.
  • Infobox should say "Concert tour videos" not just "Concert tours" because they're not the same.
  • " It faced negative reaction..." - it received a negative reaction?
  • "sex without marriage" presume you mean "sex outside marriage"?
  • "Her other notable videos..." who says these are more notable than any other videos she released that year?
  • "applauding Madonna's bravery and media mastery while others took the brazenness of the video negatively" - these sound like quotations, "bravery and media mastery" certainly isn't encyclopedic, it's really fancruft...!
  • "a celebration of sex". - ref please.
  • "best selling" "a four times" - hyphens?
  • Don't think you need to link protege.
  • "a walk through memories" walkthrough is either one word or hyphenated. And do you mean "of" memories?
  • "Original video portrayed..." was there a subsequent video then?
  • "do a number of S&M inspird dance" avoid "do", link S&M and spell inspired with an e!
  • "posh hotel" posh is a little colloquial for me.
  • "where Madonna defeat him" - defeats?
  • Concert tours should use en-dashes per our WP:DASH.
  • 1993-1999 -> en-dash please.
  • Be consistent. Either link platinum all the time or just the first time.
  • Check refs for correct use of hyphens/dashes as well.
  • General: just seems that it needs a thorough copyedit by a native English speaker.

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:25, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]


  • Quick comment – I just took a momentary glance and noticed that the lead is the longest I can remember seeing in an article, let alone a list. To be honest, it's overwhelming in its length to me. I feel that it would be better to have the lead act as more of a summary, and have the details be included in their own section, where the size wouldn't matter as much. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • I moved much of the commentary to appropriate sections. Take a look, lead seems appropriate length now. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:16, 1 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't see why the one-line plot summary against each each video is required. As an analogy, in a Wikipedia discography you don't see descriptions of the album/single's music do you? I think this plot info can be cut from the lead as well, bring down its size as Giants2008 requested. In fact, if you consider just the tables here, I don't see why can't be merged into the Madonna's discography, as is standard for all other artists.—indopug (talk) 05:34, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Can you check whether the blockquote in the lead has been transcribed properly?—indopug (talk) 05:39, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are mistaken. There is no Madonna's discography. Her catalogue is so huge that long back it was decided that albums, singles, films, videos will be separated. And a one-line plot summary is definitely not WP:UNDUE is it? Plot info has been considerably cut from the lead and merged into those one liners. There is no concrete rule for how a discography should be constructed and WP:WAX seems invalid in this case as everything is separate here. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:38, 4 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Legolas on this one; the catalogue is so vast that it does require to be split into three. The same is done for Michael Jackson (videography, album discography and singles discography). Pyrrhus16 16:41, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Jimknut (talk) 18:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Some comments:

INTRO SECTION

  • In 1984, Madonna released "Like a Virgin", the lead single from her sophomore album of the same name. > What is a sophomore album? The link redirects to album, so I suggest that you change this.
  • The same year she also released the follow-up single "Material Girl". > Add comma after "single"
  • Lead single "Live to Tell" and its video ushered in a new image for Madonna. > Add commas after "single" and "Live to Tell"
  • when a contest titled Making My Video, > when a contest entitled Making My Video,
  • In 1989, Madonna signed a $5 million deal with Pepsi, to use her song "Like a Prayer" in their commercial. > In 1989, Madonna signed a $5 million deal with Pepsi, to use her song "Like a Prayer" in one of their commercial advertisements.
  • In 1990, Madonna released the song "Vogue" which portrayed the underground gay subculture > Commas after "song" and ""Vogue""
  • In 1992, Madonna released her fifth studio album Erotica. > No comma after "1992"; comma after "album".
  • In 1994, she released "Secret", the lead single from her sixth studio album Bedtime Stories. > No comma after "1994"; comma after "album"
  • The year 1995 saw the release of "Bedtime Story" from the same album. > In 1995 she released "Bedtime Story" from the same album.
  • The 1995 music video for the single "You'll See" portrayed Madonna taking control over her life and leaving the bullfighter forever. > What bullfighter are you talking about?
  • In 1998, Madonna released her seventh studio album Ray of Light. > Comma after album
  • The lead single "Frozen"'s music video ushered in a new image for her. > The music video for the lead single, "Frozen", ushered in a new image for her.
  • The title single's video was a high-speed one, > The video for the title single was a high-speed one,
  • In 2000, Madonna released her eighth studio album Music. > No comma after "2000"; comma after "album"
  • This fascination for violence continued with the music video of "Die Another Day" (2002) and "American Life" (2003), > Change "music video" to "music videos"
  • The latter's video > The video for the latter
  • The lead single "Hung Up"'s video was a tribute to John Travolta and his movies. > The video for the lead single, "Hung Up", was a tribute to John Travolta and his movies.
  • Her eleventh studio album Hard Candy was released in 2008; > Her eleventh studio album, Hard Candy, was released in 2008;
  • its lead single "4 Minutes" portrayed her as a superhero, > its lead single, "4 Minutes", portrayed her as a superhero,
  • Madonna has worked with many successful directors and produced music videos that are considered by some as works of art. > This sentence should start a new paragraph. It will expand the intro to four paragraphs which is the preferred maximum.

MUSIC VIDEOS SECTION

  • Also, this is a fairly long list. Perhaps you could subdivide it on a decade-by-decade basis. Jimknut (talk) 18:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Addressed all concerns and divided the list into decades wise. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:26, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support — Looks good. Jimknut (talk) 18:21, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support and comment. I was asked to comment here because I had brought Michael Jackson videography to FL status fairly recently, and it is the only videography currently at that status. While Madonna's and Jackson's videography articles differ a bit in structure, there is no guideline for how these lists should be constructed. As long as the list has the main details that I think should be required (music videos, home media, certifications of home media), then structuring can be varied to the main editor's preferences. Jackson has his filmography integrated into his videography article, but seeing as Madonna has starred in more movies, hers should not be added to this and, in my opinion, should remain a standalone article as well (Madonna filmography). Anyway, I have no problems with this videography - it looks nice and appears to be comprehensive. Well done. Pyrrhus16 16:41, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support — Large comprehensive list, without any flaws I can find. Aaroncrick (talk) 23:20, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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