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List of works by Dorothy L. Sayers edit

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Nominator(s): SchroCat (talk) 21:17, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dorothy L. Sayers was an absolutely fascinating woman. She had a brain the size of a planet and a sense of humour and zest for life that was admired by all who knew her. In 1923 she introduced the character Lord Peter Wimsey, the archetype for the British gentleman detective. She then went on to write theological essays and plays, as well as literary criticism of Dante; she also translated Dante's Divine Comedy, and works from medieval French. This is a new page with some basic info removed from the main Sayers page and worked into a fuller, more complete list, now fully supported by reliable sources. – SchroCat (talk) 21:17, 7 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Seattle

  • Dorothy Leigh Sayers (usually stylised as Dorothy L. Sayers; 1893–1957) was an English crime writer, poet, playwright, essayist, translator and Christian humanist; She was also a student of classical and modern languages. can you just move "and student of classical and modern languages" to the end of "Christian humanist", and cut the "and" after "translator", for flow?
  • Let me mull on this one a little. The initial list is her public output and profession; the second list is lesser known and more a hobby or way of life. It would also make for an unweildy list to open. I'll ponder further on this. - SchroCat (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi, Seattle, I've mulled over this and I think, for the reasons I've given above, that I will leave it as it stands for the moment. It's still very early days for the FLC, so should others object or comment, then I will certainly try to re-work the sentence. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 22:15, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Seattle (talk) 20:47, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
*Sayers was educated at home, and then at the University of Oxford, which was unusual for a woman at the time, as they were not admitted as full members of the university until 1920 can you rework this? This reminds me of a comma splice
  • I've split the sentence to alleviate. - SchroCat (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • a murder mystery novel featuring the fictional Lord Peter Wimsey no need to link Wimsey here; linked above
  • Towards the end of the 1930s, and without explanation, do you have a reference for "without explanation"? This seems abrupt; can you form a note that explains why some biographers state she shifted to religious writings?
  • It's supported by the Benstock citation, but I could have put any of the sources in there as they all say the sme thing. Sayers gave no explanation for the change, and the biographers all guess at possible reasons, but none with any great conviction. It's just one of life's little mysteries, really. - SchroCat (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • the four Pietra canzoni Can you link "Pietra" or "canzoni" somewhere?
  • Name in article stylized as "Dorothy L. Sayers" but in infobox as "Dorothy L Sayers"
  • A slip of my English pen, as we don't use full stops after letters really, but the American-based MoS bides us to drop them in regardless... Now added. - SchroCat (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I count 11 plays, but infobox only lists 10; why isn't "The Silent Passenger" italicized?
  • "Scripts" section in infobox doesn't link anywhere
  • When I sort ascending for the "Title" column in the "Letters" section, The Letters of Dorothy L. Sayers: 1951–1957, In the Midst of Life sorts before the 1937 and 1944 letters. Seattle (talk) 08:00, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fixed.
  • Many thanks indeed for your thoughts. I'll mull over the first one to see if there is a different way of doing this without leaving one long list. I need to try and find suitable links for "Pietra" and "canzoni" too, which I'll hunt round for, as nothing obvious springs to mind. Thanks again. - SchroCat (talk) 08:21, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've linked canzoni to canzone - Italian for song. Pietra is Italian for stone and doesn't link anywhere, so I've translated the two in the table, although not in the lead (I'm not sure it's needed there as "Pietra" acts as a title and conzoni is linked, but I could be persuaded if you think it's the best course). Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 10:33, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support – with a few minor comments:

  • Lead
    • As you may imagine, I don't much care for the false title in "which feature English aristocrat and amateur sleuth Lord Peter Wimsey", but to each his own.
    • "over stressed" – one word, not even hyphenated, in the OED.
  • Tables
    • Not sure I see the advantage of sorting on the publisher's location.
  • They sort on the publishers name only, not the locations. - SchroCat (talk) 10:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not on the only table I tried, viz the Poems one, nor, now I inquire further, in the Translation table. (I don't at all think it important, you understand, but I speak sooth.) Tim riley talk 18:03, 20 June 2015 (UTC) Later: You don't give the publishers' locations in the Non fiction table. Perhaps you might do so, for consistency. Tim riley talk 18:10, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • Quite right, Pike, I was waiting for someone to spot that. Now tweaked. - SchroCat (talk) 00:47, 21 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Novels
    • Is it worth mentioning in the notes column that Unnatural Death and The Five Red Herrings were published in the US with different titles, namely The Dawson Pedigree and Suspicious Characters?
  • Non fiction
    • Should the definite article be added to the first column of Greatest Drama Ever Staged?
      • Yes, my error when trying to sort the formatting for the sort. - SchroCat (talk) 10:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's all from me. Happy to support this excellent piece of work for FL. Tim riley talk 08:22, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, Tim, for your thoughts and comments - all much appreciated. While I have your attention, could I draw your eyes to Seattle's comment above re the opening line. Do you have a view either way? Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 10:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you were to roll all the various occupations into the one list it would go on a bit. Perfectly acceptable, but it's easier on the reader's eye if you break it up, I think. The semicolon is an excellent choice - linking the lot. A full stop would be a bit emphatic. On the whole, I think I'd leave the sentence as drawn. Tim riley talk 12:50, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Doc Blofeld

In the external box is "By List of works by" intentional?♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:03, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nope! A slip from the splitting off of this info. Now tweaked. - SchroCat (talk) 10:17, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks in very good shape and seems to meet FL criteria. I suppose aesthetically I'd rather see each note column with some info and a source rather than empty ones among the others but it's probably redundant to do so in many cases and no point in adding stuff for the sake of it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:43, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "She is perhaps best known" not sure. Is this your own opinion?
  • Would prefer to see all upright images the same size.
  • Why is the location of the publisher put first and then not sorted against? I thought you would put the location in parentheses after the name of the publisher?
  • [4][10][11][9], [4][11][9] etc refs in numerical order preferably.
  • Some of the notes have inline references, some don't, for those that don't, are the notes adequately referenced elsewhere?
  • Yes. All the information in all the tables is supported by the initial sources shown at the head of the Title column. There are a couple of entries (just the Detective Club books, I think), where the details were sourced from elsewhere). - SchroCat (talk) 09:04, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd prefer the infobox to be in the same order as the sections in the article, not that it's a big deal but it seems like common sense.
  • I'd like that too, but it's a pre-set order in the IB; for the body of tables, I've gone for chronological throughout, as with other similar lists - SchroCat (talk) 09:04, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Was The Silent Passenger never performed? It has a blank "location of first performance".
  • It was a film script, rather than a play. I've added "See note", as I have done with the radio plays, to make it a little more clear - and re-named the section and table. - SchroCat (talk) 09:04, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Otherwise I can't fault it. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:50, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Many thanks The Rambling Man, all done, I hope satisfactorily. Please let me know if I've missed any of the bits, or added confusions somewhere with the edits! Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:04, 29 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (sorry it took so long to remember to return!) The Rambling Man (talk) 07:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Great news – many thanks RM, much appreciated. - SchroCat (talk) 08:09, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from FrankBoy CHITCHAT
Comments from FrB.TG
  • WP:ALT needed for the three images.
  • Not actually needed, but it is good practice. Now added. - SchroCat (talk) 07:50, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Though one is not banned from writing US, I think "United States" is better.
  • US is fine, especially in a Notes section. - SchroCat (talk) 07:50, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the tables, "

Support – Looks solid. One thing though:

  • "During the Second World War these plays, and other works like The Wimsey Papers (1939–40) and Begin Here: A War-Time Essay (1940), Sayers "offered her countrymen a stirring argument for fighting", according to her biographer, Catherine Kenney." -- the conjunction confuses the continuation from the leading line somewhat and doesn't really flow. For example you say "During the Second World War these plays...Sayers "offered her countrymen a stirring argument for fighting", according to her biographer, Catherine Kenney."

Nothing else to report; an excellent list. CassiantoTalk 08:49, 5 July 2015 (UTC) Thanks Cass, a "through" missing from the sentence, which should now make sense. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 09:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Closing as promoted. --PresN 14:09, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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