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The list was promoted by User:The Rambling Man 12:01, 15 July 2008 [1].

List of voice actors in the Grand Theft Auto series

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Self-nom. This list contains every actor credited to specific characters in the games' instruction manuals. I think it satisfies all the FL criteria. Dbam Talk/Contributions 18:57, 5 July 2008 (UTC)*[reply]

  • Comments

List really looks good and definetive, but I feel there are several issues.

  • The opening sentence, "This is a" is now discouraged after this disscussion.
  • This may not be possible because of the contents table, but would it not be better to have the actors split up into the series'.
    • This was something I thought about quite a bit, when I first began working on this list but in the end, I decided to stick with one big list. Basically, I wanted the reader to be able to see every character voiced by any given actor in one place; splitting it into seperate games or canons would result in duplicate entries spread throughout the page, which I don't think would be as useful. Dbam Talk/Contributions 15:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well after your reply, I see what you mean, it would be a bit pointless.Sunderland06 (talk) 15:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • What about the earlier Grand Theft Auto games; Grand Theft Auto (video game), Grand Theft Auto: Mission packs, Grand Theft Auto 2, but as I recall the voices were only from phone calls, so I'm unsure on this one.
    • As mentioned in the lead, there are no actors in GTAs 1 or 2 credited to specific roles; in fact, there are no voice credits whatsoever in the GTA1 manual (at least the version I have). Voicing a specific character is pretty much the primary criteria for this list; this is why there are no pedestrian, imaging voices, etc.—those roles aren't notable enough to be included. I've never seen the manuals for the mission packs, but IMDb credits all the actors in London 1969 as "voice", which suggests a similar situation to GTA2 (ie. a plain list of actors with no specific roles).

Dbam Talk/Contributions 15:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I feel I can surely support once these issues have been cleared up. Cheers. Sunderland06 (talk) 22:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As this FLC progresses I will feel more confident to support. Thanks. Sunderland06 (talk) 15:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good! The relative lack of 3rd-party sources is a little troubling, and if possible I'd recommend swapping the current 1st party sources out, but I don't think there's a reliability issue here, so I can support nonetheless. Drewcifer (talk) 19:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved stuff from Drewcifer

Comments Looks good, but I have a couple of issues:

  • Per WP:COLOR, a color shouldn't be used as the only designation of something (the column distinguishing what type of character it is).
  • Also color-related, why are blank cells gray? This is unneccessary.
    •  Done I've removed the Notes column, and shifted the notes to their own section at the bottom. I shaded the blank cells grey because I thought it would make the table look more complete, rather than have row upon row of empty cells. Probably a daft idea, though. Dbam Talk/Contributions 14:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • What about the earlier games?
  • It has a designated color (white I suppose) for "uncredited", but I can't find any white boxes.
    • The pale yellow colour used for "uncredited" appears twice: for Pat Floyd and Lazlow's GTA IV appearance. Dbam Talk/Contributions 16:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead is a little too long. The quote in particular could be trimmed down quite a bit.
  • The first sentence reads very poorly, mainly because of the forced "This is" intro and bolded words scattered throughout. Don't force it the bold stuff or the repetition of the title. We already know what it's a list of (that's what the title is for), so avoid repeating yourself.
  • IMDB is not a reliable source.
  • An External links section is needed.
    • I'm not sure there are any particular external links that would be relevant or useful to this article; do you have any in mind? I could have added the various official sites, but WP:EL seems to discourage adding ext links just for the sake of it. Dbam Talk/Contributions 16:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Drewcifer (talk) 01:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Gary King (talk) 02:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support This looks good now. Gary King (talk) 07:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks for the comments. Some of the comments above have made me think that a bit of restructuring will be needed, both in the lead and the table itself. There's a few things i'm not sure about, but i'm a bit pushed for time right now, so i'll address them later today. Again, thanks. Dbam Talk/Contributions 10:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as the list is mostly based on primary sources (instruction manuals). See WP:SPS and WP:SELFPUB. Kariteh (talk) 21:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think this is an issue here. The list is made up of raw information taken from the various manuals; any secondary sources will be exactly the same—copies of what can be found in the manuals—and, in my experience, they are usually inaccurate and/or incomplete. Also, the two links provided appear to relate to personal websites, blogs, etc. rather than primary sources. Dbam Talk/Contributions 15:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • OK, I've added some general secondary sources. They aren't entirely comprehensive, but do appear to cover most, if not all, of the main cast lists. Only two of them cover radio characters, and I have been ubable to find any reliable sources for the radio casts of the other games. But I think what's there helps take the weight off the primary sources a lot, which I hope will be satisfactory. Dbam Talk/Contributions 15:53, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Unfortunately, MobyGames is not a reliable source as its database is generated and maintained by user contributions. Kariteh (talk) 17:44, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Sorry, I thought I'd seen it in this list, but obviously I was mistaken. Anyway, I've replaced them with GameSpot refs. Dbam Talk/Contributions 18:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The ref formatting needs work; website URLs shouldn't be used as publishers and they really shouldn't be in italics. Use publisher= on {{cite web}} for non-italics. —Giggy 04:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done Dbam Talk/Contributions 15:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • Weak support; I'd like to see some copyediting of the lead and I'd prefer to not have that massive quote thrown in, but that's it for now. —Giggy 08:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but with a question. How do we know that Barbara Rosenblatt is the Barbara Rosenblat in the GTA:VCS manual? She doesn't appear to have a WP article, so who is she? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewedwards (talk • contribs)
  • Comment Any reason why the information in the alphabetical notes isn't put directly in the table? I think there is well enough space for it, and they could still be formatted with <br /> and <small></small> if it's a question of style. Kariteh (talk) 10:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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