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The list was promoted 04:02, 8 April 2008.

List of universities in Bangladesh edit

This is a comprehensive list containing names and key information (foundation date, location, type etc.) of all the universities located in Bangladesh. Moreover, though not all in a good shape, but all the names listed here have their own articles. Participants of WikiProject Bangladesh and WikiProject Bangladeshi Universities tried their best to check and recheck different information and also added necessary citation where it was needed. Note that, university websites are not listed here as reference instead we have added them as information in the main list. If this nomination becomes successful, it will be the first Featured List of this kind (i.e. nationally). Cheers! -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 20:54, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments-It is a good list, however, some of the universities need to be sourced for verifiability, mostly those without official websites.--TrUCo-X 22:40, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also their needs to be some type of title bolded in the lead.--TrUCo-X 22:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This image needs its copyright/fair- use addressed. --TrUCo-X
Update Image removed, primary descriptor bolded. Work with references in progress. Aditya(talk • contribs) 05:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
More Updates - I have added around 12-15 third party references from Banglapedia, national encyclopedia of Bangladesh. Work in progress. TrU, could you please comment on other issues that you feel should be fixed? -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 11:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Good. But, there is a problem in the table (in the Dhaka division).--TrUCo-X 20:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have fixed the problem. I think it was created by any of us while adding references. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 23:02, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well my problems are fixed, however, until the problems below are fixed and have been stated that they have been addressed, I will not give my vote "yet". --TrUCo-X 03:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated many issues as per recommendations of other editors. Would you please review this list once again? -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 00:01, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support-my problems and many MoS problem stated below are now fixed and this list fits the FL criteria "now".--TrUCo-X 03:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • Remove {{main}} from the beginning of the article and incorporate the link into the lead
  • A dash should be used in place of the hyphen in the Lead
  • Honestly though, it could do with being removed and written as normal flowing prose, removing the italics and colons, too
  • Write out OIC in full in its first use and put the acronym in parentheses
  • "A total of about 104 institutions" ambiguous
  • Remove the over-linking of Bangladesh and People's Republic of Bangladesh
  • Shorten "People's Republic of Bangladesh" down to simply "Bangladesh"
  • Per WP:HEAD, links cannot be used in section titles. It's better to provide the link in prose instead, explaining what these divisions are.
  • What does "Nick" mean?
  • A secondary or tertiary reference is needed for each university, rather than an official website link
  • References needed for each nickname, year and specialization
  • The lists aren't sortable, so remove the over-wikilinking

So its oppose for now until the MOS and Sourcing is fixed -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 23:12, 25 March, 2008 23:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update {{main}} removed and the link incorporated in text, hyphen replaced, prose normalized, OIC elaorated, ambiguity removed, overlinking removed, Bangladesh shortened, linking of heads removed, "nick" linked. Work with references in progress. Last comment not addressed, guidance needed. Aditya(talk • contribs) 05:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good job on the updates so far.
  • Hmm. Nick links to Athletic nickname, which is American in its context. Are you sure this works for Bangladeshi universities too? Surely nickname would be better? Also, they just look like initialization of the universities' names so I'm not sure it's absolutely necessary to include.
  • For the last comment, just remove the over-wikilinking of Location and Specialization. There's no point sorting the lists because Sylhet division, special universities and Barisal division list only either 1 or two unis.
  • Instead of "Following are the public universities located in Barisal division" etc, give a little depth and background info into what these divisions are. Are they university divisions, or are they regions similar to counties in the UK or states in the US?
  • -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 06:50, 26 March, 2008
You have asked two important questions that I think should be answered quickly. I am slightly in hurry and will be get back soon to reply rest of your queries.
  • Nick names are basically abbreviation of the respective institution title. We always emphasize on this short-form (not only in this list but also in main articles) since many universities in Bangladesh are well known by their abbreviation instead of their full name. For an example, Bangladesh University of Engineering and Technology is frequently (and even officially) called BUET and pronounced as Buyet. Moreover, this is not an alphabetically shorted abbreviation. Suppose, Jahangirnagar University is JU but Jagannath University is JNU. Chittagong University is CU but we haven't found what is the short form of newly created Comilla University yet. Because of above reasons, we have added this abbreviation section. But, it is really a nice question whether it should be nickname or something else?
  • Division is a the first (from top) level distinction of the country. Though they are not state like USA or constituent countries like the UK by status, but administratively you if you break Bangladesh, you will get six divisions. We didn't emphasize on the number of universities within a division rather we tried to organized them based on administrative entity. You may notice that Northern Ireland has only two universities QUB and UU, still they are listed in a separate section in UK university list so that they can represent first level administrative parts of the UK, i.e. constituent countries. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 08:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It is important that the clarification is provided in the article itself, not in a discussion. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a social network, and important things that are not apparent in the article makes it sub-standard, no matter how much it was explained on a talk page. I have provided an clarification for the "division", and also relinked "nicks" to Acronym and initialism. Hope this works. Cheers Aditya(talk • contribs) 13:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, agreed and thanks. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 14:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have covered all the issues that you recommended (except one). Could you please have a look at this list once again? Cheers. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 23:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • Each sub-section needs a short overview of the public/private universities in the division. Two/three lines would be adequate, I guess.
  • What is a division?
  • Lists would be more useful if they were sortable. I don't know the code/mark up to do that, therefore, help needed.
  • I am filling the gap in references by use of UGC pages on public universities and private universities. A hand lent there would be useful.
  • This university seems to be missing from the list.

More comments may be coming soon. Aditya(talk • contribs) 05:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(inserted) Comment about sortable list Initially I prepared it as a sortable list but later I removed this feature since sorting criteria is very limited here. We have prepared it based on Alphabetical order sorting, starting from division names to institution title. Other two criteria that can be used to sort this list are Foundation date and Location. If sortability is necessary to pass Featured List nomination, I will fix it tonight. Though it's a boring code-fixing task, but it wont take more than half-an-hour. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 12:47, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(inserted) Sortability is not a requirement, but accessibility is. Dhaka Division has long lists for both categories, and it would greatly beneficial to have sortable lists (like I was trying to figure out a chronological sequence of university foundation dates, and had to take some pain). Aditya(talk • contribs) 13:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some more comments:
  • This university is missing from the list, too
  • America Bangladesh University needs a foundation date
  • "BANGLAPEDIA" in the cites need to become "Banglapedia", over-capitalization is not encouraged
  • 104 institutes and the Presidential Order for UGC will need citations
More will be coming. I am trying to address the issues as much as I can. But, this would need intervention of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladeshi Universities. Anybody out there? Aditya(talk • contribs) 13:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have started fixing above issues.
  • "BANGLAPEDIA" -> "Banglapedia" -- Done
  • "Sortability" will be fixed within next few hours. -- Done
  • I have doubt whether America Bangladesh University is operational or not. This list[1] has its address and contact number. Can anyone from Bangladesh recheck this issue?
  • Looking for a citation for the claim of 104 institutions.
Cheers. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 14:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Can you get someone create article stubs for the missing universities? Without them this list has little chance of passing through. Aditya(talk • contribs) 15:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have just created East Delta University article and also placed it in the list. I am going to create rest very soon. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 15:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have added sortable feature in all the tables. Now this whole list is sortable based on name, foundation year, location and specialization. Moreover, I have also added this feature for numbering field to get the original list back. Note that though we have created this list based on alphabetical order, but underlying algorithm used for alphabetical sorting in sortable class of this list differs from the regular form which eventually makes a distinction between numbering and name based sort (just try it, you'll understand what actually I am trying to mean by those programming jargon). -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 23:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - but with comments - Good effort and many issues seem to be fixed. I did notice some points about references:
  • This reference is from Geocities, and may not really be a reliable RS for anything.
  • You need to provide "retrieved on" for many references. Please use {{Cite web}}.
  • For newspaper references, please use {{Cite news}}. --Ragib (talk) 22:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Some more comments
  • There is no citation for Noakhali Science and Technology University, Bangladesh National University, Pundra University of Science and Technology and Islamic University of Technology.
  • There is no introductory summary for sub-sections for the private universities, like the sub-sections for the public universities have.
  • There is no contextual introductions for the mother-sections: "Public uiversities" and "Private universities". Public universities section could easily have something on the subsidized education, while the Private universities section could have the Private university act that so unnecessarily appear on most private university articles.
  • No need to to link women's studies in the table. It's been already linked in the lead.
  • Cites necessary for the lead are still missing.
  • Most importantly, there is still at least one missing university.
  • There could be something on the number of students enrolled, even an aggregate somewhere. It is optional though.
More comments may be forthcoming. And, oh, nice work with cites and sortable tables. Cheers. Aditya(talk • contribs) 04:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Post Script The issue with America Bangladesh University will be resolved on Sunday (in Bangladesh Fridays and Saturdays are weekends). Aditya(talk • contribs) 05:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I have created BIU article and also added this title in the list. Should I remove internal link of Technology as well? I have added Private and Public university intro though just copied from another article. Will it be okay or requires rewrite? -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 17:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A highly commendable job. Aditya(talk • contribs) 17:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot. I tried my best to update this list as per mentioned suggestions though still I am left with adding few references. Could you please mention more issues that you think should be fixed? -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 23:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support Niaz has really done it. This list is already better than a number of existing FLs. No use delaying the inevitable. This one meets all standards already. Aditya(talk • contribs) 04:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support - but with comments

Tanvir che (talk) 11:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Support. I believe this list meets the featured list criteria. Arman (Talk) 12:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More comments

  • The prose for each division, (esp. Dhaka Division) is a little choppy, with a lot of short stubby sentences
  • "have come into being" would be better if reworded, it's not a very encyclopaedic term
  • Why no founded date for America Bangladesh University and Bangladesh Islami University? And if there is no reliable information, something should be said to that effect. Also, those hyphens should be ;mdash-es for future reference

It's come a long way since I saw it, and I've striken my oppose above. Nearly ready to support if you get these things sorted out. -- ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ 14:17, 29 March, 2008

Since America Bangladesh University is no longer operational, it is removed from this list and foundation date of Bangladesh Islami University is missing even on the official site and also on their UGC, Bangladesh profile. I tried my level best to cover rest of the suggestions. Cheers. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 11:17, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestions and recommendations checklist

Proposed by TrUCo-X edit

  • Some of the universities need to be sourced for verifiability, mostly those without official websites: All the universities are now cited with third party references.
  • Their needs to be some type of title bolded in the lead: Updated.
  • This image needs its copyright/fair- use addressed: Resolved.

Covered all. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 23:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed by ṃ•α•Ł•ṭ•ʰ•Ə•Щ• @ edit

  • Remove {{main}} from the beginning of the article and incorporate the link into the lead: Removed.
  • A dash should be used in place of the hyphen in the Lead: Updated accordingly.
  • Honestly though, it could do with being removed and written as normal flowing prose, removing the italics and colons, too: Updated (please recheck whether it is okay or not?)
  • Write out OIC in full in its first use and put the acronym in parentheses: Updated accordingly.
  • "A total of about 104 institutions" ambiguous: Removed.
  • Remove the over-linking of Bangladesh and People's Republic of Bangladesh: Removed and updated accordingly.
  • Shorten "People's Republic of Bangladesh" down to simply "Bangladesh": Updated.
  • Per WP:HEAD, links cannot be used in section titles. It's better to provide the link in prose instead, explaining what these divisions are.: Updated and written as per your suggestions.
  • What does "Nick" mean?: Explained in the list using internal link to acronym and also here as well.
  • A secondary or tertiary reference is needed for each university, rather than an official website link: All the universities are now cited with third party references.
  • References needed for each nickname, year and specialization: Above references also work for this point.
  • The lists aren't sortable, so remove the over-wikilinking: Updated, now it is sortable.

All the suggestions have been covered except one. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 23:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • The prose for each division, (esp. Dhaka Division) is a little choppy, with a lot of short stubby sentences: Modified.
  • "have come into being" would be better if reworded, it's not a very encyclopaedic term: Removed and modified accordingly.
  • Why no founded date for America Bangladesh University and Bangladesh Islami University? And if there is no reliable information, something should be said to that effect. Also, those hyphens should be ;mdash-es for future reference: Updated as per your suggestions and also reason is explained bellow your last post.

Covered. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 11:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed by Aditya edit

  • Each sub-section needs a short overview of the public/private universities in the division. Two/three lines would be adequate, I guess: Updated accordingly.
  • What is a division?: Explained.
  • Lists would be more useful if they were sortable. I don't know the code/mark up to do that, therefore, help needed.: Now it is sortable.
  • This university seems to be missing from the list.: Article created and updated in this list.
  • There is no citation for Noakhali Science and Technology University, Bangladesh National University, Pundra University of Science and Technology and Islamic University of Technology.:Citation added.
  • There is no introductory summary for sub-sections for the private universities, like the sub-sections for the public universities have.:Introductory summary added.
  • There is no contextual introductions for the mother-sections: "Public uiversities" and "Private universities". Public universities section could easily have something on the subsidized education, while the Private universities section could have the Private university act that so unnecessarily appear on most private university articles.: Added.
  • No need to to link women's studies in the table. It's been already linked in the lead.: Link removed.
  • Cites necessary for the lead are still missing.
  • Most importantly, there is still at least one missing university.: All the universities are now covered.
  • There could be something on the number of students enrolled, even an aggregate somewhere. It is optional though.

I am working on other issues that you proposed. Will be solved within this weekend. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 17:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All the suggestions have been covered except optional one and lead cite. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 23:44, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This link] will be helpful, I hope. Aditya(talk • contribs) 04:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the link. I visited it day before yesterday and added it as a reference for Bangladesh National University. Though it provides detail statistics on number of students and teachers for schools and colleges, I couldn't find such options for universities. But, today I have added it as an overall reference site for Bangladesh related education. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 11:47, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The data-table on the page says Number of Universities, Teachers and Enrolment by management and sex (the heading says University Education). I didn't find any mention of schools or colleges anywhere on the page (apart from buttons on the top that led to other pages). So, I thought it was about universities. Sorry if I was mistaken.
Actually it was my mistake. I thought you are talking about individual break-down which is given only for school and colleges. But your recommended link provides statistics for universities. I am adding it at a suitable place. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 19:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed by Ragib edit

  • This reference is from Geocities, and may not really be a reliable RS for anything: References from Geocities, Tripod etc. have been removed.
  • You need to provide "retrieved on" for many references. Please use {{Cite web}}. Updated accordingly.
  • For newspaper references, please use {{Cite news}}: Updated.

I will gradually update this check-list to meet all the recommendations. Cheers! -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 09:10, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed by Tanvir che edit

  • Asian University for Women this university is not included.: Now listed and cited with multiple third party references.
  • Foundation date of some universities e.g. Bangladesh Islami University should be included.: Still looking for its foundation date. This info is missing even on its official page. Another university with missing foundation date will be removed soon since it is not operational anymore. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 15:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
America Bangladesh University (without a foundation date entry) is removed from this list since it is nomore operational and foundation date of Bangladesh Islami University is missing even on its official site or on UGC profile, thus I failed to add this info. -- Niaz(Talk • Contribs) 11:21, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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