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List of songs written by Alexandru Cotoi

Featured list candidates/List of songs written by Alexandru Cotoi/archive1

Nominator(s): Sebbirrrr (talk) 16:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because it as an extensive list of the songs he has (co-)written which are referenced. Even though he mostly wrote for Romanian singers, he did write songs for some internationally known artists as well. I have used the other "list of songs written by..." FLs as reference. Sebbirrrr (talk) 16:31, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on the lead

Image caption is not a complete sentence so does not need a full stop
"and has been releasing music" => "and has released music"
"Cotoi became a registered composer in 2003" - what does it mean to be a "registered composer"? Never heard of such a thing before
"In 2015, he contributed on" => "In 2015, he contributed to"
"for which he won a Grammy Award for Best Latin Rock, Urban or Alternative Album" - Cotoi did not win this award
"at number seven in Bulgaria as well" - last two words are not needed
"The album's lead single "Flashbacks"," => "The album's lead single, "Flashbacks","
"was the most played song in 2021 in the country" - which country? Two countries were mentioned in the first half of the sentence
"The Motans's and Emaa's "Insula"" => ""Insula" by the Motans and Emaa" is better IMO
I will look at the rest later -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:09, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude: Hi there, thanks for reviewing the lead. I edited the lead accordingly except for your third point. By "registered composer" I meant that that was when he became a member of the Romanian union for composers and songwriters, which would allow him to legally publish songs and earn the rights to whatever song would have him as one of the composers. Sebbirrrr (talk) 18:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, never heard of that as a thing. I would just say that he published his first songs in 2003. Also, I would remove the reference to the Grammy Award for Best Latin Rock, Urban or Alternative Album completely. Cotoi was one of seven credited co-writers of one song on a 12-track album, so his contribution to the whole album was relatively small and it's UNDUE to talk about the award the album won -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:00, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on image captions

"Cotoi was one of Baddest Girl in Town's songwriters, which appears on Pitbull's (pictured) studio album Dale." => "Cotoi was one of the writers of Baddest Girl in Town, which appears on Pitbull's (pictured) studio album Dale." Again, I would remove the mention of the album's Grammy, as it isn't really relevant to Cotoi.
"He further co-wrote her 2021 single "Up"." => "He also co-wrote her 2021 single "Up"." -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:26, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:00, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comments on the table

Anything that starts with the word "The" should sort based on the next word
That's it :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:12, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed! Sebbirrrr (talk) 13:40, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:49, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on references

If possible replace Tidal references to credits with articles (a lot of work to check if there is article about particular song and exactly mentions "Writer(s)" not composers etc.) or other store with no login required. To the rest of Tidal's references add note like "login required to acces content" or is there other way to acces credits? From what I can see there is no way to access data with "View page source" option. I think credits were available at Tidal a few years ago so you can check if there are old archived versions in Web Archive. Eurohunter (talk) 07:11, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are links to archived versions of Tidal pages to credits but you can't login there to access content so there is no rason to keep them (atleast that one I have checked). As above they would have to be replaced with older open archived version or replaced with article or the other store. Eurohunter (talk) 07:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't have any luck with the web archive but I replaced all Tidal sources with Spotify, where you don't need to log in. Sebbirrrr (talk) 18:06, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Eurohunter: apologies for pinging but does it look better now? Sebbirrrr (talk) 11:05, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: Thanks for notify me. To be honest Spotify mentions just "authors" instead of exactly "writers". Eurohunter (talk) 13:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurohunter: would it be better if the "writers" column was renamed to "writer(s)/author(s)" then? Sebbirrrr (talk) 17:09, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: No. We want there "writers" than just "authors". I assume by writers it mean lyricists than music writers? Eurohunter (talk) 17:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurohunter: I assume so. However as spotify has both "written by" and "produced by" listed in the credits, wouldn't "written by" then be synonymous with lyricists rather than authors? And in your last comment, are you saying that authors would be the same thing as music writers? Sebbirrrr (talk) 18:28, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: The last qustion - for sure we distinguish author of lyrics and author of music (these are two aspects of song). Summarizing if someone just wrote lyrics and music for project - he need to produce and master it yet. Eurohunter (talk) 18:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurofan: Aren't the "author of music" and the producer different from each other? The author is the one who creates lyrics and compositional elements (the music) for the song while the producer is the one responsible for the final sound of the song. Going back to what I said about spotify's distinction, they credit the ones who wrote the song and the ones who produced the song separately. Sebbirrrr (talk) 22:38, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: Yes as you said the author is the one who creates lyrics and compositional elements (the music) but it not always mean it's the same person. There are lyricists who never write music so that's why we can distinguish two different writers (lyricist vs composer). Eurohunter (talk) 23:49, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurohunter: I wanted to bring up that in some album's liner notes, the credits are listed like spotify, having both "written by" and "produced by" separately. In that case, what would you consider the people under "written by" as? Sebbirrrr (talk) 11:12, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Eurohunter: I assume we've reached a roadblock? I pointed out in my last message that the way some albums list their credits is similar to how spotify lists them. Sebbirrrr (talk) 15:19, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: I probably overly complicated it. In case if both "written by" and "produced by" exist I would said "written by" lists lyricists. Eurohunter (talk) 15:33, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurohunter: does everything look alright then? Sebbirrrr (talk) 15:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Eurohunter: sorry for pinging again, but is this sorted out then? Sebbirrrr (talk) 14:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: No problem. Yes I remember but I wasn't sure what to say exactly so from my perspective - I would search for source where it strictly shows "writer/s" and "producer/s". Eurohunter (talk) 16:51, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurohunter: I think you are getting confused, I've said that spotify shows both "written by" and "produced by" separately, like some albums do. Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: I know but it shows just "authors" and "producers" so there is no direct source. If there are "authors" instead of "writers" there is always a question what they meant. I think author or whole authorship has greater meaning than writer. You can also distinguish writers and performers at American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers. Eurohunter (talk) 22:11, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurohunter: I don't understand why you think spotify shows authors for "written by" instead of writers. Sebbirrrr (talk) 09:03, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: It shows "Authors" in Polish version. Could you provide name in Romananian and/or English version? Eurohunter (talk) 16:02, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurohunter: in the Romanian version it's "scrisă de" which translates as "written by", and on the English version it's "written by" Sebbirrrr (talk) 16:31, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: So everything is all right just Polish version has wrong translation. I wonder if any note could and if it should be added for it. Eurohunter (talk) 17:27, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurohunter: I think the links go to the English version (could you check?) but I could add one which says something like "in some countries, Spotify lists writers as authors" if that's not the case Sebbirrrr (talk) 17:55, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: Spotify automatically recognise language you use. If you can force Spotify to show in English but I don't know how to do it or if it is even possible. Eurohunter (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurohunter: I was asking because it appears in English on my laptop but I have the app in Romanian. I will add the note then Sebbirrrr (talk) 18:00, 26 April 2022 (UTC
@Sebbirrrr: It has to recognise your location as US, UK, Australia etc. Eurohunter (talk) 18:02, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Eurohunter: what should the note say then? Sebbirrrr (talk) 18:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Eurohunter: I've added a note, does that suffice? Sebbirrrr (talk) 18:30, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Eurohunter: does the note suffice or should I add something else? Sebbirrrr (talk) 18:12, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Sebbirrrr: Good idea but I would limit it just to Polish version because we don't have other examples. If you could check other languages it would be perfect. Eurohunter (talk) 18:18, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Eurohunter: I don't think I can verify all language versions of Spotify but I'll limit it to the Polish version. Sebbirrrr (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
References 152 and 154 works only after second reload or it's just my specification? Eurohunter (talk) 17:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- They worked fine for me. Sebbirrrr (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Authors in references - "Arvunescu, Victor" - just name and surname so Victor Arvunescu without the comma. Eurohunter (talk) 17:38, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Aren't authors supposed to be written as "Arvunescu, Victor", with the comma, on the English wikipedia? Sebbirrrr (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Sebbirrrr: No need to like names in articles. Eurohunter (talk) 15:34, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Eurohunter it's just that in most quality articles the authors are written with the comma. For example, in List of Airplay 100 number ones, which includes "Arvunescu, Victor", the name is written like that Sebbirrrr (talk) 16:23, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Sebbirrrr: Okey but it doesn't make sense, looks bad and it's just useless. Eurohunter (talk) 17:16, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      @Eurohunter fixed them Sebbirrrr (talk) 17:33, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Use "website" instead of "publisher". Eurohunter (talk) 17:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- For which sources? Sebbirrrr (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Sebbirrrr: All website references. Eurohunter (talk) 15:34, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Eurohunter fixed. Sebbirrrr (talk) 16:22, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is ro:Uniunea Compozitorilor și Muzicologilor din România for reference 2 and other if there is any more. Eurohunter (talk) 17:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Added. Sebbirrrr (talk) 19:34, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Eurohunter I've addressed all of your points, is everything alright now?

@Eurohunter sorry for tagging again but I want to make sure everything is fine now

- @Sebbirrrr: "By September 2009, the group had published five songs on their Myspace profile and announced that they were working on their debut album, which was released on 16 April 2011" - if the album is introduced it would be good to add its name. Apart from that everything is fine now. Eurohunter (talk) 18:56, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Eurohunter: Fixed Sebbirrrr (talk) 19:09, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Eurohunter everything fine now? @Eurohunter sorry for the constant pinging but I would like to know if everything is alright now. Sebbirrrr (talk) 17:16, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sebbirrrr: No problem. Yes. Eurohunter (talk) 18:27, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Eurohunter: I assume you're supporting, then? Sebbirrrr (talk) 18:59, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Sebbirrrr: I thought it's obvious but yes - I definitelly support this nomination. Eurohunter (talk) 19:04, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

The ALT text for double-dagger should not be 'dagger', but what it represents, in this case: 'single release'

I'm a bit confused since I'm using a dagger (not a double-dagger) and the alt text for it is 'Song released as a single'. Sebbirrrr (talk) 21:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per [2], only one dagger has ALT text "Song released as a single". – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 21:14, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. Sebbirrrr (talk) 21:38, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Sickotoy 2021.jpg — shouldn't there be an OTRS conformation, as the image is received by the nominator via direct e-mail?

The image was not uploaded nor received by me though. Sebbirrrr (talk) 21:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, I mistaken "uploaded" with "nominator". Though I can WP:AGF on its licencing. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 21:14, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

File:Arena Corinthians Opening (cropped-Pitbull).jpg — I cannot access the source link.

Fixed. Sebbirrrr (talk) 21:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But that archived link does not verifies the licencing ... – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 21:14, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Changed the image to File:Pitbull,_2012_(2).jpg whose licensing is verified.Sebbirrrr (talk) 21:38, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

– Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 20:44, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pass for image review. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 06:19, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kavyansh

Add a short-description for the page

Done. Sebbirrrr (talk) 09:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why is 'Sickotoy' bolded twice in the lead?

Fixed. Sebbirrrr (talk) 09:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are any of "Radu Dumitriu, Răzvan Gorcinski, and Victor Bourosu" notable enough to red-link?

Bourosu is still an active songwriter, two of the songs he wrote are "Amnesia" and "Rampampam" but I don't know if that's notable enough. The other two not really. Sebbirrrr (talk) 09:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Check if it meets WP:NSINGER, but that is not an important point here. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:41, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"and Russia," — linking Russia appears over-linking; CIS and Romania links are probably fine

Fixed. Sebbirrrr (talk) 09:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Minelli" is linked twice in the lead.

Fixed. Sebbirrrr (talk) 09:33, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That is it! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 06:26, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to support. Any comments for this nomination would be appreciated. Thanks! – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 09:41, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB)

Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.
Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --Pres N 19:08, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Sebbirrrr (talk) 20:43, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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