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List of songs recorded by Taylor Swift

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Nominator(s): Frankie _talk 18:49, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I have worked on this article to completely overhauled its lead (and some major changes throughout the article) and make it a better standalone list of all Taylor Swift's songs. I believe it overall meets the featured list criteria. It is likely to have glitches, which I will fix if I notice - by myself or reviewers. Any comment on the list from anyone will be very much appreciated. -- Frankie _talk 18:49, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Resolved comments from shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:30, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

;Comments by shaidar cuebiyar I haven't looked at the list... I have a query about the nomination process: according to instructions, "Users should not add a second featured list nomination until the first has gained substantial support and reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed." Don't you already have a list being reviewed?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:05, 29 December 2015 (UTC) The other nomination already has enough supports and all of the concerns raised have been addressed so I think it's okay. Thanks for your comment though. -- Frankie talk 08:46, 29 December 2015 (UTC) Okay, then. On with this review. Overuse of "song(s)" in ¶1s3: there are four of them! "without any co-writer" > "without any co-writers" ? "who also managed her first three albums" does "managed", here, mean he worked as her talent manager or that he was her record producer? Perhaps "recorded" would work better? In regards to 1989, was Chapman also producing? Current wording implies there are no other producers. "reached number-one" > "reached number one" Being used as a noun, includes a hard space. Notes: 2 Overuse of "feature". 4 "support" 4 "version" 7 ref needed for "starred in" vs "appeared in" 8 Change hyphen to a dash.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC) All fixed. Thanks for the comments, much appreciated. -- Frankie talk 08:50, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support ~– Well done Frankie.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:30, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Resolved comments from SNUGGUMS

Oppose for now File:Taylor Swift Red Tour 2, 2013.jpg isn't an ideal pic since it doesn't give a very clear view of Taylor's eyes The lead needs to mention more non-singles (I currently count only one); this isn't supposed to be a singles discography Nothing on her EPs Sounds of the Season or Beautiful Eyes? When saying she "wrote three of the album's songs", you may as well mention them all. Same goes for "contributed two songs". I added all of the three songs for the first one but have decided to let the other one be as is 'cause it might increase the length of the lede. Trust me, adding "Jump Then Fall" and "Eyes Open" won't increase the lead too much. We also don't need to state that "Our Song" and "Should've Said No" are singles here. Removing that bit would help prevent detail overload. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC) "Original release" should just say "album" "Jump Then Fall" was included on the Valentine's Day soundtrack, which should be noted within the tables There are stray brackets in the "Long Live" single release's slot Sorry, but I am failing to see ones. Looking through again, they're in the caption for Paula Fernandes' photo Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC) "Deluxe edition" and "Platinum edition" don't need to be linked; those bits should only be in parentheses "Best Days of Your Life" shouldn't be listed when she wasn't credited as a vocalist This has potential to meet standards, but isn't there yet. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:06, 30 December 2015 (UTC) Thanks for your comments SNUGGUMS, much appreciated. All of them have been addressed, I hope. -- Frankie talk 20:16, 30 December 2015 (UTC) Almost. In addition to the above responses, Beautiful Eyes still isn't even mentioned in the lead, Kellie Pickler's pic serves no purpose here now that "Best Days of Your Life" is removed, ref#4 needs to be replaced as it's just a Google Books link to Billboard without any noticeable commentary on her work, and I've now noticed that the "b", "c", "d", and "e" notes in the "notes" section are uncited. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:33, 30 December 2015 (UTC) Provided sources where necessary, removed some unnecessary footnotes filled with trivia and resolved the rest. Thank you. -- Frankie talk 23:46, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Support good work improving this Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:22, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support from an IP - Good work Frankie! 1.52.124.206 (talk) 09:30, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
  • I know there was a lot of work that went into this, but do you think it meets the FL criteria? This isn't the first one-line support I've noticed recently from an IP, and this behavior is attracting increased attention in the FL community. If you don't want your supports discounted, I'd suggest making an increased effort to review against the criteria. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:24, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

@Giants2008: Thanks for noting that. Actually I was also initially concerned about the IP's support but this IP also reviewed my previous nomination (not sure whether they are the same), and also made some good points. Given that, I am not sure if we need to be concerned about the IP's support as they might review lists against FL criteria, before giving a one-line support. -- Frankie _talk 22:31, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 21:40, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Comments The first sentence could be better, let the reader know a bit more about Taylor Swift than her albums You got me on this one. Any suggestion? "Swift wrote three of the album's tracks alone; "Our Song", "Should've Said No", and "The Outside". She co-wrote the remaining eight with writers Liz Rose, Robert Ellis Orrall, Brian Maher and Angelo Petraglia." -> Swift wrote three of the album's tracks; "Our Song", "Should've Said No", and "The Outside", the remaining eight were co-written with writers Liz Rose, Robert Ellis Orrall, Brian Maher and Angelo Petraglia. "In 2007, Swift released..." -> Swift released her first extended play (EP), Sounds of the Season:The Taylor Swift Holiday Collection, in 2007..." will finish up later, busy now. NapHit (talk) 17:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC) Looking forward to it. -- Frankie talk 18:42, 31 December 2015 (UTC) More "She provided guest vocals for Tim McGraw's "Highway Don't Care", which features guitar work by Keith Urban, and performed "Sweeter Than Fiction" for the One Chance soundtrack album." I would mention the year this happened, it just feels like its been slapped on to the end and doesn't really fit in with the rest of the paragraph. Shellback's image is missing alt text ref 3 needs an en dash same for ref 15 and 30 NapHit (talk) 15:38, 1 January 2016 (UTC) All good now, thanks for your comments. -- Frankie talk 17:13, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support meets the criteria. NapHit (talk) 21:40, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Comments a good list. "who also recorded her first three albums" is this referenced? In fact, all mentions of "producers" probably need inline referencing because they're not mentioned in the table. Is it, therefore, even worth mentioning them if they're not included in the list itself? There is no particular reason for not including producers in the list; I just based it on FLs of its kind. I think completely ditching it is not quite a good idea either. "first documented official pop album" that quote has a comma after the documented in the source, plus I always thought we added inline citations directly after quotations? Yep, but the source is for the whole sentence, and not just the quote. When sorting by Song, the second Bad Blood disappears off somewhere... Our article calls it "Speak Now World Tour – Live" rather than "Speak Now: World Tour Live"... Any reason we have "Taylor Swift" and "Taylor Swift songs" as categories? Surely the latter supersedes the former? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC) Thank you for your comments. I believe I have addressed them. -- Frankie talk 20:59, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Comments from GagaNutella

• Support: This list looks amazing. I just came here to give you one suggestion. Change the colors for "#BFFFC0" for the singles, pastel yellow for the promotional singles, and let purple for songs that are written just by Tay. She is great composer and you should highlight it. GagaNutella^talk 18:14, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

• PS: Few things to fix according to her discography: the second "Bad Blood" add (Remix Version); "Out of the Woods" is a single; "Crazier" and "Breathe" are not promotional singles; "If This Was a Movie", "Superman", "The Moment I Knew", "Come Back... Be Here", "Girl at Home", "Wonderland", "You Are in Love", and "New Romantics" are promotional singles. GagaNutella^talk 01:39, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Don't know how I missed them. Thank you for your comments and support, much appreciated. -- Frankie _talk 17:07, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 18:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Comments Looks good overall; these are my edits. Feel free to revert if you don't agree. Might be worth mentioning in the caption what year that photo of Taylor Swift is from. "The album's tracks include "Breathe" and "The Way I Loved You"." -> I don't get it, what's so significant about these two tracks in particular? It is not a requirement for tracks to be "significant" in these types of lists since, as I previously noted, this isn't supposed to be a singles discography. In this case, they are listed because they are new tracks not previously included on other releases. Snuggums (talk / edits) 20:23, 17 January 2016 (UTC) It would be worth mentioning that then. Just put something like "... "Breathe" and "The Way I Loved You", which had not previously featured on any of Swift's releases.", or whatever phrasing you'd prefer. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:22, 17 January 2016 (UTC) Noted Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:37, 17 January 2016 (UTC) I'm not a massive fan of the way of sentences that just drily list names. Is it really necessarly to name all eight new producers and all seven writers that she worked with on Red, or all ten people she collaborate with on 1989? It just makes for much less interesting prose. "The Last Time" moves down to T when the table is sorted alphabetically. "Mean" needs be above "Mine". Per WP:SEEALSO, links in navboxes (e.g. Taylor Swift discography) don't need to be included in See Also sections. Spached em dashes ( — ) need to be en dashes ( – ). A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 19:53, 17 January 2016 (UTC) @A Thousand Doors: Many thanks for your comments that I addressed in timely manner. -- Frankie talk 11:21, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support No other concerns from me. Great work! A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 18:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Comments from  — Calvin999

• I think it's superfluous to include (Cover) and (Live). But if you are going to keep them, then for for "Bette Davis Eyes" I would include both words in one set of parenthesis, not separate.
• I would advise against including songs which have been record live such as at a concert. That means recorded on camera, not audio recording, and I doubt she recorded a version in the studio. Also, technically every track whether hers or a cover would have been recorded, but you've only picked out new ones.

If she just randomly sang songs live (such as the ones she has been singing at her 1989 Concert), I would not include them but she has released an album for that so I think it's worth adding.

• Songs were albums appear on two albums I would use an "&" somewhere just for differentiation.

These points aren't enough for me to oppose or abstain though, so you have my Support anyway :). I'm surprised it hasn't been promoted already.  — Calvin999 16:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! :) -- Frankie _talk 17:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Source Check by PresN

• You're using the amazon-specific number (ASIN) as the "ID" in several references. That's... no. ID is a universal thing, not a store-specific id number; for e.g. ref 3, the Beautiful Eyes EP, that would be the catalog number by the publisher- BMRATS0140. Or you could leave it out, its not essential.
• Why do the album liner notes refs only have a release year, and not a full release date?

I believe that's not quite necessary just like we only add the year to a film. It's also based on FLs of its kind.

• You're kind of spotty as to when you're linking the publisher in refs; usually you do it on the earliest instance, but sometimes you never link (MTV, Billboard, iTunes). It's not a big deal, but you should be consistent
• Consider archiving the online references you haven't already so that linkrot doesn't mess up your references, thereby unciting content or causing you extra work later on.

I have archived one of them. Will do the rest later.

• Spotchecks: refs 5, 13, 19, 29. Two issues:
  • ref 19, used for one song's row in the table, does not contain what the writers of the song were. I suspect that's an issue with many rows in the table that are cited to iTunes/Rhapsody. Is the cite only intended to cover that the song was included on the album/artist/year specified, and not cover the writing credits? Or are the writing credits present in the iTunes link and I missed them?

The Rhapsody reference does mention Tom Petty but not specifically as the performer or songwriter "American Girl" (as he is both) so I believe that one is safe to use.

• • ref 29 is used to cite ""Today was a Fairytale" was first released as a single from the soundtrack to the film Valentine's Day (2010), in which Swift starred.", but it only contains that Swift was in the movie, not that the song was first released as a single from the movie soundtrack.

So, minor issues, shouldn't be too hard to fix them- just watch out for playing it a little loose on references for facts that you know are true, but aren't completely covered by the ref. --PresN 01:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the source review. Fixed 'em. :) -- Frankie _talk 11:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Excellent, the AllMusic refs are better than the iTunes ones. Source review: Passed. --PresN 21:55, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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