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List of songs recorded by Mariah Carey edit

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Nominator(s):  — Calvin999 19:08, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I've been working on it for six years and I've put a lot of time and effort into adopting previous lists I've done to make it work for the sheer amount of songs and songwriters that are present. I hope it reflects what I've put into it.  — Calvin999 19:08, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from BeatlesLedTV (talk) 00:03, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sweet another song list! On to the comments
  • Why is this list incomplete? (If it's not remove the tag)
    • By a few songs which I am having difficultly sourcing the writers for. I thought it was best to include the tag but if not then I'l remove it. It was more of an encouraging to reader who see's one is missing and filling in the gap.  — Calvin999
  • Songs and albums should not be sorted by definite articles "A, An, The, etc." per WP:Sorting (if they aren't sorted like that put them alphabetically in line without using definite articles)
    • When you sort the column, that song or album will sort by the following word in the name/title. Is that what you mean?  — Calvin999
  • Add scope rows to key
    • I've added that but now it's bolded and centralised and doesn't look right.  — Calvin999
  • Made this edit for you per MOS:DASH
  • Heading doesn't need a period
  • Is having every remix of every song necessary? I personally don't think it is as it's all really the same song.
    • I've only included remixes for which Mariah Carey has recorded a different vocal. If you listen to the original and it's remixes, you'll that the differ greatly. Some even incorporate samples and interpolations not present in the original, or altogether different samples or interpolations, in addition to genre and tempo.  — Calvin999
      • Oh I see. I don't listen to Carey much so I wasn't sure. BeatlesLedTV (talk) 02:38, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I got for now. Maybe more to come (not sure yet). Great job! BeatlesLedTV (talk) 21:08, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@BeatlesLedTV: Thank you, please see what I've done.  — Calvin999 22:38, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, having every remix of every song is necessary. It's not just a few lines that are different. The vast majority of Mariah Carey's remixes are widely known for being completely different than their original songs, with different lyrics, writers, production, features, music videos, live performances, etc. She even has a remix album. Take a listen to the original version of "Fantasy". It also has a remix version "Fantasy (Bad Boy Fantasy Remix)" featuring Ol' Dirty Bastard, which is often credited as the first song to unite pop and hip-hop by featuring a rapper on a pop song. Then there is also the "Fantasy (Def Club Mix)". Take a listen to all three and you'll realize they're entirely different. This is similar to virtually all her other remixes. Her remixes are not the same song as the original. Heartfox (talk) 21:56, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Heartfox: Can we talk about Mariah Carey and her remixes sometime please :)  — Calvin999 22:39, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Cartoon network freak edit

Resolved comments from Cartoon network freak (talk)
*This list looks good from the first look, but I'll have a closer look later this week. Best; Cartoon network freak (talk) 18:14, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • and a live EP → I would say "and a live extended play (EP)" for clarification
  • with Columbia Records (a record label owned by Sony Music) in 1988 → I would replace the two paranthesis with either two commas or two —s
    • I'm going to leave it as it is because Madonna's is the same that is an FL.  — Calvin999
  • her self-titled debut album → "eponymous" is more encyclopedic
  • She co-wrote all of the songs, the majority being with her writing partner Ben Margulies → She co-wrote a majority of the songs featured on the record with her writing partner Ben Margulies
    • I didn't write it like that because that implies that she didn't co-write all of the songs, which she did. It's slightly ambiguous, so I'm not changing that.  — Calvin999
  • which are both certified diamond by the RIAA → which were both certified diamond by the Reocrding Industry Association of America (RIAA)
  • whereby Carey suffered a physical and mental breakdown in between the releases → , as well as a physical and mental breakdown in between the releases
    • The use of 'as well as' doesn't make sense, because I haven't previously stated something that does in conjunction.  — Calvin999
  • and producing all of the original material → What do you mean by "original material"?
    • Songs which are not covers, i.e. material she writes and produces herself.  — Calvin999
  • eighteen Hot 100 → I think you should mention the Billboard part
  • "Hero", "All I Want for Christmas Is You", "Fantasy", "Always Be My Baby", "Heartbreaker", "We Belong Together" and "Touch My Body" → release year in brackets after each song here
    • Again we didn't do this for Madonna's, and it will interrupt the flow with a load of bracketed years. I know I have for the albums but that is less frequent and more spaced out.  — Calvin999
  • "It's a Wrap", "Lead the Way", "There for Me", "The Roof" and "Thank God I Found You (Make It Last Remix)" → same as above
  • under appreciated → I think this is one word
  • her own material, she has also recorded → I think it would be better to say "the singer" here instead of "she" as you're introducing to a new para
  • was a cover of the Jackson 5 → was a cover of the [YEAR] Jackson 5
    • If I did that, I'd have to include her year of release, and I'm not doing that for the songs.  — Calvin999
  • Other covers include "Open Arms" by Journey, "Without You" by Badfinger, "Against All Odds (Take a Look at Me Now)" by Phil Collins, "Bringin' On the Heartbreak" by Def Leppard, "I Want to Know What Love Is" by Foreigner, and "One More Try" by George Michael → year of release in backets after each covered song here
    • Again this will make it too long and disrupt the flow.  — Calvin999
  • "I Still Believe" → same
  • as a thank you for helping her get into the industry → This is no way encyclopedic
    • But that's what it is. I can't get around that it was fact and that was what happened.  — Calvin999
  • "Silent Night" and "O Holy Night" on the former and "The First Noel" and "Here Comes Santa Claus" on the latter. → years in brackets
    • Same as. And the years would only be the same as their parent album which is already dated anyway, so it's repetitive.  — Calvin999
  • I don't see any other issues in the rest of the article. Both sources and the table seem to be well-done. Cartoon network freak (talk) 15:58, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Although I'm not an experienced FLC reviewer, I can give this wonderful work my support. Best of regards, Cartoon network freak (talk) 19:05, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Pseud 14 (talk) 13:03, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As promised here are my comments:
  • "multiple charitable releases" - perhaps replace charitable with 'promotional' releases (I have not followed her career closely, but I believe she has done promotional songs not just for charity. Using charitable kind of isolates it to charity singles)
    • That's why I wrote charitable. A promotional single and charity single are not the same thing.  — Calvin999
  • "background vocalist" - maybe backing vocalist is more appropriate
    • It's an accepted terminology more commonly used in America and this is an American subject, but I'll change it anyway.  — Calvin999
  • "She co-wrote all of the songs, the majority being with her writing partner Ben Margulies" -- I think its better phrased as "She received songwriting credits for all the tracks on the record, with majority of the songs co-written by Ben Marguilles."
    • I think that's making it sound more convoluted that it needs to be. I have made changes though.  — Calvin999 11:50, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "From then on she released a series of critically acclaimed and commercially successful albums" - Take out "From then on" and just begin with "She released.."
    • I think this is needed to complete the sentence.  — Calvin999
  • "Carey has been noted for co-writing and producing all of the original material." - of what? please specifiy
    • Her songs. It's a standard musical term.  — Calvin999
  • "Carey suffered a physical and mental breakdown in between the releases,[2][3] Carey returned to" - perhaps change the second Carey to the pronoun 'she'
  • "the most among soloists" - Elvis Presley is also a solo artist and they are tied at 18 number-ones. Best you specify as the most for a female solo artist. Also no spaces between the dashes.
    • But he isn't universally included because of his pre-Hot 100 number-ones.  — Calvin999
  • "According to the liner notes of Emotions, Carey wrote all of the lyrics herself and co-composed the music, and is similarly credited for doing the same for the majority of the songs on Music Box, Daydream and Butterfly (1997)." - perhaps take this out and fuse it to the first sentence of the second paragraph where you discuss her songwriting credits for every album she has done. Also, no need to begin your sentence with "According to the liner notes" since you already cited it as a source.
    • I've removed the opening part of sentence, but this paragraph is over viewing her overall songwriting. The previous paragraph is about her releases.  — Calvin999
  • "as a thank you for helping her get into the industry" - Maybe rephrase this to something better, something like "as an appreciation for helping jump-start her career" or somewhere along those lines.
    • I don't think 'helping jump-start' is a suitable alternative.  — Calvin999
  • "Carey has also covered well known classics and traditional songs for her two Christmas albums" - Rephrase to: Carey has released two Christmas albums [...] that included covers of ..."

Thank you for your comments @Pseud 14:  — Calvin999 11:50, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • External link links to non-existent page on the website; not sure what it should be fixed to. Heartfox (talk) 06:45, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not sure who added that.  — Calvin999 10:10, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "and a extended play" "an" EP.
  • "which are both certified diamond " -> "both of which are certified diamond"
  • You link "studio album" but not "Charity record"?
  • "Open Arms", "Without You" and "I Want to Know What Love Is" are all piped to redirects.
  • "Anytime You Need A Friend" "a Friend".
  • "Mikkel Storleer Eriksen & Tor Erik Hermansem" piped to a redirect.
  • As do Diggs and Grice.
  • Ditto David Cole and "Everybody Hurts".
  • "Snoop Dogg" is just Snoop Dogg, don't pipe it to a redirect back to Snoop Dogg...
  • Kamaal Fareed, Mick Jones, "I Want to Know What Love Is", Crystal Johnson, Nathaniel Hills, "Open Arms", Steve Perry, Kejuan Muchita, "Without You", Katherine Davis, Coke Boys ---> all piped to redirects.
    • All of these are because of people changing 'musician' to 'producer' etc. It's so annoying. And 'Foreigner' to 'Foreigner guitarist'.  — Calvin999 09:41, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Vol. 3... Life and Times of S. Carter " no space after ellipsis.
  • "Wu Tang Clan" -> "Wu-Tang Clan"

The Rambling Man (talk) 08:18, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @The Rambling Man:  — Calvin999 09:41, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Thanks.  — Calvin999 09:27, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 20:28, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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