Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Fifth Harmony/archive1

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List of songs recorded by Fifth Harmony

Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Fifth Harmony/archive1

Nominator(s): De88 (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel that this list has clear and detailed information regarding the group's recorded songs and the collaborators who worked with them. The introduction is abundantly clear along with the list which has several images to provide readers with visuals on who exactly wrote or produced their songs and a key to highlight the group's single releases and the like. De88 (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

"i and formerly Camila Cabello, whose departure was announced on December 19, 2016" I would split that off, it's not the most important thing about the band, and probably isn't worth including (along with precise date!) in the opening sentence of an article about the band's songs.
- I removed everything after "Cabello". Done
Second sentence has too many clauses... Done
"was ultimately released in 2013" why "ultimately"?
- That was a mistake. Done
"soaring hooks" sounds like a fan writing this.
- Removed Done
"Their extended play had four subsequent releases" confused me, perhaps "Their EP was subsequently released four times..." Done
Abbreviate extended play.
- This word is mentioned many times. Which one are you referring to? De88 (talk) 07:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Put (EP) after the first mention, and then use EP subsequently. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - "Their EP had four subsequently released four times" <-- I italicized this word and just wrote "extended play" any time it was required to mention it. Is that fine? I feel that saying EP every time is a bit informal. De88 (talk) 07:36, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      - Not at all. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:38, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        So you want me to replace every time the words "extended play" are mentioned with "EP"? De88 (talk) 07:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        Yes. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        I won't fight this. I think I fixed everything that was suggested on your comments. This is my first time nominating an article for a FL status. I am not sure what happens after the nominator fixes the article with the reviewer's comments. Done De88 (talk) 09:11, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        We'd normally expect to see reviews from three or four people, so we'll have to see how those go. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What's "trap" in this context?
- "Trap" is a music genre that sounds like a mix of R&B and hip-hop. I piped the word. Done
"All in My Head (Flex)" small i for "in". Done
"Mikkel Eriksen" etc are piped to redirects, pipe to article directly, or don't pipe at all. Done
Make images consistent width. Done
Emily Warren doesn't need pipe linking. Done
Notes are unreferenced.
- I cannot reference the notes, only put the reference next to it. Is that fine? De88 (talk) 07:24, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Notes can be referenced, please see other FLs for how to do that. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:27, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - I used this article to guide myself as it is a featured list article and the notes are not referenced. De88 (talk) 07:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      - That doesn't mean it's right. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:38, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        Shouldn't this be noted on their talk page? It doesn't set a very good example for a "featured list" article then. De88 (talk) 07:53, 28 June 2017 (UTC) Done[reply]
        There are thousands of featured lists, some of them aren't perfect. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        If that is the case, then it does not deserve to have a featured list tag. Some users work extremely hard to get an article at this status and it seems unfair that some are flawless and others have flaws but are still within the same caliber. If it was me, I'd put a notice threatening to revoke the tag unless those comments are fixed. De88 (talk) 09:14, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
        That's what we have WP:FLRC for. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ref titles should use spaced en-dashes, not spaced hyphens (see WP:DASH). Done
Online refs should have at least a publication date or an accessdate, or both. Done
Make publication and accessdates consistent in format, dmy or mdy. Done

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:56, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments/Oppose from Aoba47

Upon opening the list, I immediately notice the "This article needs additional citations for verification" tag. This will need to be addressed before this list can be promoted.
For the caption for the infobox image, I would suggest changing it to inform the reader on where the group is performing and the date of the performance. The current caption does not provide much insight into the image, and appears to be a repetition of information already found in the lead. Here are two examples of featured lists that you use the caption style that I recommend: List of songs recorded by Kelly Clarkson and List of songs recorded by Lana Del Rey.
Use the two featured lists that I have recommended above to rephrase the first sentence. The first sentence should not be an identification of the band members (save that for the group's main article), but something about the material they have recorded. See the introduction sentence to the List of songs recorded by Kelly Clarkson here: (American singer Kelly Clarkson has recorded material for her seven studio albums.).
I would recommend spelling out the phrase extended play on its first use and then putting EP in parenthesis directly after it, and using EP throughout the rest of the lead. Spelling it out would be useful for readers unfamiliar with the concept and would save them a click out of the list to the related article.
The second sentence seems rather short and abrupt and a little out of place. I would recommend combining it with the following sentence to read as follows to help with the flow (After placing third the second season of the American televised singing competition The X Factor, the group released their extended play (EP) Better Together (2013).)
You will need a citation for their participation in X Factor.
You will need a citation for all of the release dates of the albums and singles. You will also need citations for their guest vocals on other songs and any critical commentary on their songs and sound (i.e. which critics noted as a step away from the group's "teen" image in their previous EP and the synthpop and electronic dance song with new wave and 1980's music style influences are two examples of this). The lack of citations in the lead is a major issue for this list, and should be the first thing that you work on as every sentence should be cited.
Make it clear in the lead when Camila left the group.
In the phrase (The first single released from their debut EP, Better Together,), you should remove "their debut EP" as you informed the reader about what this is in a previous sentence so it is unnecessarily repetitive.
Please include the years in which the singles and albums were released in parenthesis after the title or in the actually sentence itself.
"Worth It" is missing a quotation mark.
The lead should include information on the group's latest single "Down" and their upcoming, self-titled album.
I am confused on why you would include three separate images of Beyonce, Michelle, and Kelly, when you could easily use the one in the infobox of the Destiny's Child article.
Change Kelendria Rowland to Kelly Rowland as she is more known by that name.
The caption on the Mariah Carey photo is worded awkwardly and needs to be revised. It should be apparent that she is listed as a co-writer for "All I Want for Christmas is You" as her role in that song's development does not change when someone covers it.
The photos' captions need citation if you are talking about songs having interpolations of other works.
I am a little confused the decisions in what songs are linked and not linked in the photos' captions. "Sledgehammer" is linked in the Meghan Trainer image, but the other singles in the other captions are not. Please be consistent either way.
For the table, I would also mark the songs that were released as singles.

I can tell that a lot of work has been put into this list, but I believe that a lot of work is needed to bring this up to the status of a featured list, specifically the addition of references/citations in the lead. I am sorry, but I will have to oppose this for promotion as it still requires a lot of work. Aoba47 (talk) 18:12, 31 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 23:44, 13 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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