Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of snow events in Florida
List of snow events in Florida edit
After creating this article about a week ago, I believe it adheres to the featured list criteria. I created it because I was surprised no other article existed, and I think it's an interesting subject. Therefore, it's useful. After some thorough searches, I believe it is comprehensive. It is well-sourced and factually accurate, with cite web sourcing for every statement. There is no controversy or edit warring, and I believe it's well constructed. I believe it follows the manual of style; if it does not I will correct any issues. Finally, there are two images related to the article. Unfortunately, there's no usable images of the actual snow in Florida, but if I find a public domain one I will add it. Comments? Hurricanehink (talk) 17:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - there seem to be an awful lot of mentions of Jacksonville. Is snow more common there than elsewhere in Florida or is it an artefact of the references used? I'm happy to accept your reassurance that you've identified all the available sources, but a little concerned that it's giving a misleading picture simply these sources are themselves not comprehensive. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 16:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- What would you recommend? I've done a thorough google search. The reason Jacksonville has so many references is for the early time period of the article, the only location where records exist is in Jacksonville. Surely, other snow has occurred prior to the first listed event, and most likely other snow events occurred in between. That is why I refer it as known snow events. Hurricanehink (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- I'll be happy to support if the above is added to the article intro - something to make it explicit that the early years will necessarily be incomplete, that Jacksonville was the only location where accurate records were kept, and if possible a date after which we can be reasonably confident that all instances of snow throughout the state have been recorded. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 10:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- Got it. Unfortunately, I have no idea of such a date. There were likely times when remote places reported snow, but an official office didn't record it. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- That's fine - your latest additions are enough to allow me to support. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 15:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- Got it. Unfortunately, I have no idea of such a date. There were likely times when remote places reported snow, but an official office didn't record it. Hurricanehink (talk) 14:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- I'll be happy to support if the above is added to the article intro - something to make it explicit that the early years will necessarily be incomplete, that Jacksonville was the only location where accurate records were kept, and if possible a date after which we can be reasonably confident that all instances of snow throughout the state have been recorded. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 10:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- What would you recommend? I've done a thorough google search. The reason Jacksonville has so many references is for the early time period of the article, the only location where records exist is in Jacksonville. Surely, other snow has occurred prior to the first listed event, and most likely other snow events occurred in between. That is why I refer it as known snow events. Hurricanehink (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- Oppose. - As rated by Wikipedia:WikiProject Meteorology that this article is currently in start class. Also, I do not think it is necessary to put snow dates for each states. What's next? Texas? --CSI or CIS 22:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- I disagree with the start class designation. I don't think any other state will ever get their own page for snow dates. Florida snowfall is a very rare event, as demonstrated in the article. All other states have too much snowfall for such an article. Can you provide anything actionable for your opposition? Hurricanehink (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- I was the one who listed the article as start class, mainly because I only glanced at it briefly and was eager to get it onto the assessment list. I saw that it was full of lists, which is not desirable for an article, but obviously if Snow in Florida is being categorized as a list rather than an article, then there is no problem. IMHO, it is at least B-class (well-referenced, well-written, appropriate images), but I am not familiar enough with the featured-list criteria to oppose or support. -Runningonbrains 17:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- You could rename the list List of snow events in Florida in order for the title to be more descriptive. CG 19:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- The reason I named it as such was because there was also an article Snow in Australia, and another user suggested I name it Snow in Florida. However, I'd be content with renaming it. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- I wouldn't use Snow in Australia as an example of much - it is an unreferenced short stub based on one (new) editor's observations with rather vague statements which are likely all true but not comprehensive. It will probably be merged to Geography in Australia in the near future (I found this page by following "What links here" from that page). --Scott Davis Talk 10:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- True, but this article does more than just list them. It also explains how and when it occurs in the lede. I would rather wait until after the FL run is over, to avoid any confusion, before making the move. Hurricanehink (talk) 16:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Alright, I did it anyway. Hurricanehink (talk) 00:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- True, but this article does more than just list them. It also explains how and when it occurs in the lede. I would rather wait until after the FL run is over, to avoid any confusion, before making the move. Hurricanehink (talk) 16:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- I wouldn't use Snow in Australia as an example of much - it is an unreferenced short stub based on one (new) editor's observations with rather vague statements which are likely all true but not comprehensive. It will probably be merged to Geography in Australia in the near future (I found this page by following "What links here" from that page). --Scott Davis Talk 10:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- The reason I named it as such was because there was also an article Snow in Australia, and another user suggested I name it Snow in Florida. However, I'd be content with renaming it. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- You could rename the list List of snow events in Florida in order for the title to be more descriptive. CG 19:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- I was the one who listed the article as start class, mainly because I only glanced at it briefly and was eager to get it onto the assessment list. I saw that it was full of lists, which is not desirable for an article, but obviously if Snow in Florida is being categorized as a list rather than an article, then there is no problem. IMHO, it is at least B-class (well-referenced, well-written, appropriate images), but I am not familiar enough with the featured-list criteria to oppose or support. -Runningonbrains 17:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- I disagree with the start class designation. I don't think any other state will ever get their own page for snow dates. Florida snowfall is a very rare event, as demonstrated in the article. All other states have too much snowfall for such an article. Can you provide anything actionable for your opposition? Hurricanehink (talk) 22:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
- Comment Ref 4 concerns February but is used for January events, etc. Can you review your links? I am concerned about the ascertainment bias in having Jacksonville as the only decent source of weather reports for much of the time. Ref 1 largely concerns "Jacksonville and vicinity" yet not all entries are clear as to their extent (e.g. 4/5 Feb 1875). There's a gap between 1996 and 2003 – I can't find a source to say is officially empty. Source 9 only mentions "east central Florida". There are other gaps too that are worrying (the 20s, 40s and 60s). Relying on newspaper articles isn't as good as met office reports. Why should we think the Today in Florida History site is comprehensive? Colin°Talk 23:16, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm, not sure what happened with the ref, but I fixed it. Jacksonville is the only decent source of weather reports that made a weather climatology page for a large time period (that I've found, at least). This source, the National Climatic Data Center, shows that no snow events reported between 1996 and 2003. You can access it, if you want, by clicking on Florida, specifying the time periods, and specifying the type of event (snow and ice or temperature extremes). I searched through all of them, and only two (1996 and 2003) mentioned any snow. The Today in Florida History site might not be comprehensive, but it's the only place I could find the information. In the perfect world, there would be official information on the subject with plenty of statistics, but unfortunately, it is not perfect, and the article deals with the known snow events. If other snow events occurred in those time periods, or if there is a site out there providing the info, I do not know, but I did a thorough google search and I believe it is comprehensive enough. Should I put {{Dynamic list}} on the top of the page? I'm not sure about your qualm about source 9, either. It is the Melbourne, Florida National Weather Service site reporting on the snow flurries in 2003. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
- Support, It's hink's writing.Mitchazenia 23:59, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Support - looks good, but I'd agree with a move to List of snow events in Florida or something along those lines, to be consistent with other lists. --Coredesat 00:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Support - but a couple of minor comments: please can you add metric equivalents to the few remaining imperial units without, and I think "−" or "−" should be used for the minus sigh, rather than a hyphen. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, got it. Hurricanehink (talk) 18:42, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- Support - Meets criteria. Interesting and cool.--Dwaipayan (talk) 18:40, 28 February 2007 (UTC)