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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 18:17, 4 October 2015 [1].

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Nominator(s): —Vensatry (ping) 09:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another cricket list. This is probably the first-of-its-kind for a batsmen list. Comments and suggestions are welcome —Vensatry (ping) 09:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ironically, given a recent discussion, I'm concerned that this might be a 3(b) violation as a content fork of List of One Day International cricket records#Most career runs. Harrias talk 09:49, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, given that we have 11 entries I feel this could well be forked out. With Gayle, Dhoni, ABD, and Kohli in the lineup, this is expected to grow in the near future. I'm not supporting WP:OSE, but we have an existing FL—List of bowlers who have taken over 300 wickets in Test cricket. Plus, you seemed to have supported the creation of these lists. —Vensatry (ping) 11:13, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
So I did. I'm not personally opposing the list on this basis, but I just mentioned it as it was fresh in my mind. Harrias talk 11:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Harrias: Are you willing to proceed further, if you're convinced it's not a 3(b) issue? —Vensatry (ping) 17:23, 13 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would it be possible to add a columns listing the number of matches taken to reach 10,000 runs. The "span" for time is good, but having the same for matches would be useful. Harrias talk 13:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, innings would make more sense than matches. Harrias talk 19:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Does it need mentioning in the "team" column, or elsewhere, that some of these players have appeared for other teams in ODIs, such as the ICC World XI, Asia XI, etc? Harrias talk 09:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good one. FNs added —Vensatry (ping) 11:56, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • The note might be better placed in the team column I think? Harrias talk 14:17, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • I may have to cite the notes in the 'Team' column again by replicating the same refs. —Vensatry (ping) 15:27, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 18:38, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments quick first run-through...
  • I think I'd look for some more sources which acknowledge 10,000 runs to be a significant milestone. I'm sure Wisden will offer something.
  • I would discuss the individuals before the teams they represent. It's somewhat trivial for whom they play, worth including, but probably at the end of the lead, rather than straight at the front.
    • I guess we follow the same pattern for most of the lists. —Vensatry (ping) 11:43, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't understand, the players and their descriptions should come before the grouping of them into their teams. The list is about the players, not the teams they play for. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • You don't make it clear that you have listed those teams represent only those full members of the ICC.
  • "while playing a match against Australia" could link the tour article for this occurrence.
  • "the least number of innings" -> "the fewest innings"
  • "took the maximum number of innings" not maximum, most perhaps.
  • " Brian Lara's (West Indies) time" reads odd with the "'s" followed by (West Indies).
  • You mention age and time span to achieve the record in the lead but this information isn't in the table, so either add it or remove it from the lead.
    • Both age and time span seem to have received adequate coverage: [2]. Adding two more columns would clutter the table. I think a footnote would do, what say? —Vensatry (ping) 11:43, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't think it would clutter the table, it's very narrow, especially on my moderately high-res laptop screen. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
        • Moved Dilshan's "oldest" claim to footnotes. As for time span, we already have two columns – "First" and "Date". Having an extra col. for time span along with these two would be redundant. —Vensatry (ping) 16:31, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
          • But that span isn't the time it took them to get to 10,000 runs, it's their career in ODI. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:36, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
            • Date column is the one I'm talking about. We might include the actual date instead of year in the "First" column, so that readers would be able to find out the order of time span, which can be availed using the built-in secondary sort feature. —Vensatry (ping) 17:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template title is currently linked to "List of batsmen who have scored more than 10,000 runs in One Day International cricket" so that needs to be changed to "List of players who have scored 10,000 or more runs in One Day International cricket".

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support all my concerns addressed, thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:38, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - all looks good -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:32, 28 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The table looks fine, but I am concerned about the lead. I don't think it reads very well: some sentences have clumsy phrasing while the whole thing would work better in a different order. I've redrafted it here. You can see a comparison of the two versions here. I'd be reluctant to support the list as it currently stands. Relentlessly (talk) 11:19, 30 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Relentlessly: Thanks for all the work that you've put in to improve the prose. I've made some changes to the prose though not exactly the way you suggested. —Vensatry (ping) 11:08, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, Vensatry, I've made a couple of small changes that were necessary. But this looks much better now. Support. Relentlessly (talk) 11:29, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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