Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of people with hepatitis C

The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Scorpion0422 16:20, 4 November 2008 [1].

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List of people with hepatitis C

previous FLC (22:00, 30 September 2008)

I'm resubmitting this list for FL consideration because I feel it deserves the promotion. I feel that the main reason it failed in its previous nomination was that it simply didn't get enough support, in spite of the fact that most of the issues raised by reviewers were addressed. I also feel that another reason it didn't pass was because of the stigma attached to hepatitis C. It's a short list because of this stigma; not many celebrities seem to want to admit publicly that they have the disease. Hepatitis C, in spite of its prevalence (Hep C patients outnumber HIV patients 5 to 1), is also difficult to diagnose; most people who have it don't know, so it goes unreported and thus, untreated. This kind of list goes far in alleviating this stigma, and encourages people to get tested, so it has great educational value. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 05:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support Although I haven't contributed to this list by actually doing work ON the page as I am not that computer literate, I have helped Figureskatingfan in much of the research (i.e., the name and sources of the Celebs with Hepatitis C). I am a hepatitis C advocate and patient, and I support this list for its educational and awareness value. This list would help do away with the stigma attached to hep C, educate people and encourage them to get tested. I concur with what Figureskatingfan has written above about why the list is so short, and no one wants anyone to be added to it, but getting the word out is very, very important. On behalf of the entire Hep C community we implore you to please consider this list to be a Featured List. Thank you very much for your kind consideration and thank you Figureskatingfan for continuing to add names of celebrities as they are found.

Sincerely, PeachStatePam PeachStatePam (talk) 06:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

• Comment - I am concerned about Criteria #3 (apparently that was also an issue in the old FLC), especially as the list is overwhelmingly about people from english-speaking countries. Surely there must some other notable people from non-english-speaking countries with Hepatitis-C? Also, the lead or a footnote should address the inclusion criteria, in particular what methods were used to compile this list so to give the reader an idea how incomplete this list is. Also, one should include some more basic information about Hepatitis-C, that is about the global distribution and about the history of Hepatitis-C (the latter to make clear to the uninformed why there are no historical figures on this list). Regarding the previous support vote, please read WP:NOTADVOCATE. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 19:10, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I understand the concern about this list's comprehensiveness. There are a few international folks on it, but it's true that this is one of the weaknesses of this list. However, out of the 56 names, eight could be categorized as "international", 14% of this list. Does anyone know how this compares to other similar lists? I've said this before--I think that the reason this list isn't more comprehensive is due to the stigma attached to hepatitis C. I don't think this should count against its promotion, especially accounting for its educational value. I'll see what I can do about addressing your concerns about explaining why it isn't as complete as others lists are. However, doesn't "basic information" about hep C belong in its main article? We're not talking about that article here. Other similar lists (List of HIV-positive people, List of poliomyelitis survivors) don't do what you're suggesting.

I'd also like to apologize for the overzealousness of my friends in the hep-C community. I asked PeachStatePam, since she's a WP editor, to come here and support this nom. I thought that the addition of her voice, as someone who's done some editing and helped with this list, would be valuable. What happened next was completely out of my control. I even went ahead and deleted some of the more blatant canvassing and advocacy. I hope it doesn't adversely affect the process here. It could be worse, though--at least there are passionate voices about this important issue out there. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 20:25, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I've spent the last couple of days thinking about Blue Salo's comments, which I'd like to further address. I added to the lead a line about the HCV virus not being discovered until 1989, which should fulfill his concern about this list's shortness and why there are no historical figures on it. As far as what he's said about the criteria for inclusion, I'm not so sure it's appropriate. It may violate WP's self-reference policy. Perhaps a compromise it to include such a description on the talk page. I'll do that right now. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 17:53, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

So it took a little while. In addition to adding the line as described above, I have now added a tag that, as Blue Salo suggested, enumerating the criteria for inclusion. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - Well sourced list. Minor info I miss is the nationalities. But I see this also hasn't been added to List of poliomyelitis survivors. Garion96 (talk) 23:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Support - Hepatitis C is a disease that is quickly becoming a silent epidemic. It is astonishing how many people are unaware of how the virus is transmitted and what it can do to you. Outreach and education are so important to the Hepatitis C cause right now and I only wish there were more opportunities like these to make people aware. I completely support this list's nomination to be a featured list. Jessica, HepCBC www.hepcbc.ca —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.179.102.91 (talk) 21:06, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Question why is this a "list of people" and not a "list of celebrities"? It seems almost disparaging to the common folks! Nergaal (talk) 00:29, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

It is a list of people; just look at the name of the list. There are other lists that do the same thing (i.e., List of poliomyelitis survivors, (List of HIV-positive people)--list notable folks with the disease in question. Part of the reason I wouldn't be on this list is that not only am I not HCV-positive, I'm not famous or notable enough to have an article written about me in a reliable source. There is also no WP article about me. That doesn't mean I'm disparaged at all. (Actually, I'm quite satisfied with that, since I've never wanted fame--fortune, yes, but not fame.) One of the purposes of this list, as stated above, is to do away with the stigma associated with the disease, so that more "common folk" get tested. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 05:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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