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Nominator(s): — Rod talk 08:13, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this List of museums in Somerset for featured list because I believe it is the most comprehensive collection of these museums and meets the FL criteria. It is one of many at Category:Lists of museums in England by county but the most developed and I'm sure the lessons learnt here can be applied to the other lists in that category. It has received a Peer Review and all the issues identified have been dealt with. There is some discussion onm the talk page about the positioning of the images, however the list layout has been based on previous FLs.— Rod talk 08:13, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support—all comments addressed. Ucucha 16:24, 4 July 2010 (UTC) Comments:[reply]

Is there a difference between Grade II and Grade II*?

  • Grade II* is higher than Grade II & there are less of them - see Listed building for definitions
  • What does "Opposite the platform is a signal box dating from 1904 and is the standard GWR pattern of the period."
  • I've revised the wording of that sentence & added a ref
  • Several uncited claims, including the one I commented on above.
  • I've referenced that one & will look for others but if you could specify that would be great.
  • Virtually everything ought to be cited. I don't have too much of a problem with not citing information about the museum's displays, but there are also a few things, like a building being Grade I listed, and a trail being exactly 76 km long, that do need sources. Ucucha 14:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've sorted & referenced the length of the trail (its 80km) & added references for the 3 which where the Grade was not cited. Any more?— Rod talk 15:34, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The private collection goes from three model 'A's first produced in 1947, to Lambro threewheelers, Lambretta mopeds, sales leaflets, world, accessories, posters, magazines, manuals, toys, models, signs, and promotional material."—what is "world" supposed to mean there?
  • Removed
  • The prose could probably do with a little more polishing. Ucucha 16:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks - I will look further & fix the others later.— Rod talk 16:21, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I saw that; it should be good now. Ucucha 14:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments. An excellent list and worthy of FL status. But may I make some suggestions for it to be even better.
  • On my old-fashioned narrow screen the first impression is of a lot of columns and rather a lot of white space. So, do you need a separate column for the coordinates? I suggest combining the Town/City and Coordinates columns, and use small text for the coordinates (it does not need to be so big and is, I guess, mainly used as a link to maps, etc). You can see how this works in FLs such as List of new churches by John Douglas. (I must admit the list looks much better on my more modern wide screen laptop, but IMO the suggestion is still valid.)
  • Done
  • Why not add a {{GeoGroupTemplate}} template?
  • What is the advantage of this over the kml template which is currently used?
  • Mea culpa; I didn't spot it! The two templates seem to be identical.
  • Why is the Summary column sortable?
  • No longer sortable
  • Suggest greater use of non-breaking spaces; for example Grade X — also you've done it for some xth century but not for others.
I will look for these
  • As the list is sortable, linking should be used on every occasion; "listed building" and "National Trust" are two examples I found.
  • I've had this debate about sortable lists before ( it might be useful if there were some guidance - if there is please point me to it) & it also came up in the peer review. Some people suggest if it is linked in the lead it doesn't need to be in the table, others suggesting it does because you can't predict which entry will be first when sorted.
  • I have not seen any guidance — it just came up in one of my reviews. IMO it makes sense that if it is linked in the lead, it need not be in the body of the list (so that would mean a little unlinking in this list), but the others should be linked on every occasion, for the reason you mention.
The list puts other county lists (eg Cheshire) to shame; it sets a formidable example. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:04, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the comments.— Rod talk 12:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 07:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • zOMG. Organization in the opening sentence. I nearly spilled my pint of cockles... Brit Eng surely for this list?
  • Done
  • Not even a mildly interesting picture of (say) where Somerset is for a lead image?
  • Map added
  • "in listed buildings. In the United Kingdom this " the link implies that "list building" is a UK-only thing anyway, so is there any need for the qualification? Perhaps just avoid saying "in the United Kingdom" and merge the sentences to explain to all what this means.
  • Not sure about this one - the next sentence is specific to England & Wales rather than all of UK so may be needed.— Rod talk 20:19, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Building of Bath Collection" has a hyphen for photo, perhaps an endash?
  • Done
  • Others have a combo of either hyphen or blank - be consistent.
  • Done
  • What goes in a blank "Type"? Is that N/A or "generic" or unknown or something else?
  • Added "Multiple"
  • A few ISO dates in the references, make them consistent please.
  • Done (I think these crept in after I last did that job).— Rod talk 20:19, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 19:21, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Comments. Just a few minor thoughts that do not affect my Support.

  • Rather than a (boring) map of the county as a lead image, can you find a "spectacular" one (either the best in the list, or an alternative to one already there) to give as the first impression a more dynamic effect?
    • Boring or not, I think it's actually useful as an introduction to show where Somerset is located. Ucucha 20:58, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • No big deal, I just think that the purpose of a lead image is to give a "wow" factor to draw the reader into wanting to see and read more, rather than to just give information. If you want to see where Somerset is, just click on to Somerset in the first sentence.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:19, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I' can go with either. I started with the map as useful information (for those that don't know where Somerset is) but then picked a dramatic & old building. (You mean there is anyone left who doesn't know where Somerset is?)— Rod talk 21:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The images in landscape format appear small in comparison with those in portrait format. IMO it would look better if you reduced the size of the portrait images to say 70 or 80px (just cosmetic really).
  • Done
  • When you have no image, it would look better if the dash were placed centrally rather than being left justified.
  • Done

Cheers.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks really great now. G'night.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:52, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I added in a comma but I found no other issues. I also fixed the see also section so the Category: prefix wasn't showing. Great list. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 22:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I fixed a few points, along the following lines: (a) where there was a sentence fragment ending with a full stop, trying to fix it so that it was a full sentence; (b) changing e.g. "the 14th century house" to be "the 14th-century house" per MOS ("the house was built in the 14th century" doesn't have a hyphen, but "this is an example of a 14th-century house" should). Otherwise, I cannot complain about the contents or scholarship. Excellent work; now, where shall I go on holiday this year...? BencherliteTalk 19:52, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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