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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 5 August 2016 (UTC) [1].[reply]

Lakes in Minneapolis edit

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Nominator(s): BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 03:31, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And now for something a little different! There are currently no featured lists of lakes (Justin Timberlake discography notwithstanding) and where better to change that than from Minneapolis, Minnesota, the City of Lakes? The structure of this list is based on List of tributaries of Shamokin Creek and other lists of tributaries. This is my first nomination to WP:FL and I look forward to making sure this is the best list it can be! Uff da! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 03:31, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Great idea for a list. I learned a lot from this article. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:30, 22 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • One nit. Would it be possible to link Grand Rounds Scenic Byway to "Grand Rounds National Scenic Byway"? I believe that's the name sometimes in use by the Park Board, plus it's the honest truth. -SusanLesch (talk) 23:24, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added that fact and the fact that it's an artificial lake to the Notes column. Thanks for the suggestion! BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 17:05, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Clear, evidently comprehensive, widely and thoroughly referenced, and well set out and illustrated. A pleasure to read, and clearly of FL standard in my view. Tim riley talk 10:12, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comment
  • Given that the map/list explicitly calls out lakes that are not actually in Minneapolis but the city still claims, I think the list could be a bit clearer on why Wirth Lake is included, as it clearly lies entirely outside of the city. It's implied that it's because the city runs the park that it's in, even though most of the park and all of the lake is outside of the borders, but nowhere is it explicitly stated that Wirth Lake is not in the city proper but counted anyway. --PresN 00:21, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • This has been giving me a great deal of grief for quite a while. This entire list sort of arose out of the question "How many lakes do we have in Minneapolis??" and the subsequent research. The Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board is not the City of Minneapolis; it was created by an act of the Minnesota legislature in 1883 that called for its establishment to be put to referendum for the citizens of Minneapolis. The referendum passed and the Park Board was established but while it runs concurrent with the City of Minneapolis, it has its own powers to levy taxes (I think) and its own budgets and so forth. So perhaps the option that is least confusing is to simply remove Wirth Lake from the count because the more I think about it, the harder it is to justify a statement like "Well, it's not in Minneapolis but it's claimed by an entity that shares a name with Minneapolis" as a valid reason for including it on the main list. I'm going to go ahead and remove it to the Other lakes section and update accordingly. Let me know, @PresN: and others, if you think this change is valid. Thanks, BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 04:22, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • That would make more sense to me, but I haven't reviewed the list in depth or ever been to the city. It just struck me as really strange when I saw the map. --PresN 01:38, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I will probably have only intermittent internet access until July 17 so I may be slow to respond to comments until then. Thanks. BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 06:26, 10 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley

  • This is a first-rate article. My only queries are about the second paragraph.
  • "The Dakota harvested wild rice from lakes, including from Calhoun, upon whose banks stood the community of Ḣeyate Otuŋwe, founded by Maḣpiya Wic̣aṡṭa in 1829. The lakes' shorelines were marshy, deterring large-scale settlement and development by White residents." This confused me. At first you appear to be talking about something in prehistory, and then you seem to imply that it took place after 1829. You might say something like In x period the Dakota harvested wild rice..." And then new sentence: "In early 19C lake shorelines marshy were... deterring white residents...but Dakota community founded 1829. BTW I do not think "White" should be capitalised.
  • Why did Cleveland recommend purchase - to turn the area into parks and preempt development? If so, it is worth saying so.
  • Was the dredging to get rid of the marshes and make the area habitable? It sounds as if it was private iniatives which made some of the lakeside private. If so, it should be explained. Dudley Miles (talk) 15:24, 15 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Dudley Miles: I've addressed your first two points to the best of my [references'] abilities; I cannot determine why the park board initiated the dredging by I've tried to clarify that as well. Please let me know if you have any other thoughts! Thanks, BobAmnertiopsis∴ChatMe! 16:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source review - passed
  • Formatting: No problems; thanks for archiving where possible.
  • Spotchecks: Checked refs 3, 14, 16; no problems
  • Completeness: No obvious sources missing

Promoting! --PresN 16:07, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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