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List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Graeme Swann edit

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Nominator(s): Sahara4u, Harrias talk 08:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Graeme Swann is England's best spin bowler of the modern era. Were it not for his childish antics when he was originally called up by England that meant he was dropped and ignored by the coach at the time, he may have set a number of records. As it was, he managed a fair bit in his somewhat shortened career until a combination of injuries and Australians forced his retirement. Following the style set by plenty of similar lists before, this list summarises his five-wicket hauls. The list was initially created by Sahara4u, and I recently went through and tidied up the prose and the table to bring it up to what I hope are FL standards. As usual, all comments, improvements and thoughts are welcome! Harrias talk 08:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from FrB.TG

  • "17 in Tests and one in ODIs" – see WP:NUMNOTES.
    Done. Harrias talk 20:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The English cricket journalist Scyld Berry" – I don't know if "the" is needed.
    It very much is in British English (and to be honest, any "professional standard" of English). Harrias talk 20:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh yes. I didn't notice that the subject is British. My bad! -- Frankie talk 20:43, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He did not claim any five-wicket haults in T20I cricket; his best bowling figures in the format were three wickets for 13 runs" – again, see NUMNOTES.
    In this case I disagree. The number of wickets and runs are not comparable quantities really. I'm not against changing if you really insist, but I don't think the MOS requires it. Harrias talk 20:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:NOSTRIKE says "do not use unpronounceable symbols". I am not sure if asterisks are one of them; it does not look appealing to me. Instead, you could use a hashtag or something.
    Changed it to § ({{Section-sign}}). Harrias talk 20:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 3: ESPNcricinfo and ESPN should be de-linked and instead, they could be linked to ref. 1 as you have linked on first occurrences.
    Done. Harrias talk 20:37, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty nice list. -- Frankie talk 10:50, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 19:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "represented England cricket team..." the England cricket team?
  • I'm fairly certain the last entry in the Test table has an incorrect date, might want to check others to make sure they are correct.
  • ref 2 should be cite news not cite web

Other than these comments, the list looks in good shape. NapHit (talk) 19:26, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@NapHit: Thanks for the comments. All are spot on, nice catches. For the second point, all the other dates seem to be right, guess it was a copy and paste error. Cheers! Harrias talk 19:38, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support Great work! NapHit (talk) 19:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from —Vensatry (ping) 17:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from —Vensatry (ping)
  • 39 Twenty20 Internationals is not covered in the cited ref.
    • Changed the ref to be his Cricinfo profile. Harrias talk 15:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Link cricket, Australia and average in the lead
  • 18 five-wicket hauls in international cricket – seventeen in Tests and one in ODIs -> Be consistent per WP:NUMNOTES
  • "as of 2015" - Month needed as 2015 is not over yet.
  • "He claimed 255 wickets ..." -> Swann claimed 255 wickets ...
  • " taking two wickets in a match which England narrowly won against India" - If you check the scorecard, he actually took four wickets in the game. Further, the "narrowly won" part isn't verified by the source. Also, I don't think a six-wicket victory to be a narrow one. —Vensatry (ping) 18:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    More to the point, India won. No idea what was going on with this. I'll sort it! Harrias talk 18:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorted this now I think. Harrias talk 15:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "five wickets for 57 runs", "six wickets for 65 runs", " five wickets for 28 runs" and "three wickets for 13 runs" - WP:NUMNOTES
    As I noted above, I don't believe NUMNOTES is relevant for this, as the number of wickets taken is not a comparable value to the number of runs conceded. Harrias talk 18:55, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "As of 2015, he is twenty-sixth overall among ...." - This bit should either be placed in the opening para or at the very last.
    • Indeed, this ended up out of place when I fiddled around with the lead. Harrias talk 15:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't think "five-wicket haul takers" is good English
    • Quite. Rephrased it, how is it now? Harrias talk 15:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He only claimed one five-wicket haul in ODIs ..." -> Something like "His solitary five-wicket haul in ODIs ...". Also, the sentence goes into too much detail. For eg., Mentioning the venue is not necessary unless it holds some significance/has some relevance to the context.
  • "39 T20I matches" - Repetitive
    • Tidied this a little to remove the repetition. Harrias talk 15:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • five-wicket haults - Typo
  • For the 16th entry, opposition was Australia, not New Zealand
  • Why is ESPNcricinfo italicised in the refs. but not in EL?
    • Because EL sections irritate me, and so I didn't do anything to that section. I fixed this by removing the EL section altogether. Harrias talk 15:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

—Vensatry (ping) 18:50, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Vensatry: Thanks, as always, for your comments. I've resolved all but a couple, which I've noted above with queries or rationalisations. Harrias talk 15:41, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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