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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by User:Gimmetrow 01:10, 11 January 2009 [1].

List of first overall Major League Baseball draft picks edit

I've nominated this list because I believe that it fulfills all of the FL Criteria. I believe that it is comparable to the NHL version of this list, which has already been granted FL status. It has already undergone a peer review, and I've fixed all of the problems with the list as indicated by the review. Thanks for taking the time to edit! See The Morning (talk) 04:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It says in the article that two people on the list have won rookie of the year, yet I do not see a ^ symbol appearing next to anyone's name in the table. --Pgp688 (talk) 04:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There has so far been no winner of the ROY award that hasn't made an all star team. However, should I just remove the key for winner of just the Rookie of the Year? See The Morning (talk) 05:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from SRX

Oppose

  • The lead needs to be expanded to give more about the history of the draft, like when it was established by who it was created, etc.
  • MLB needs to be linked
  • Overall, 18 of the 44 picks to date have made the participated in the All Star Game, and two have won the Rookie of the Year Award. - remove made the
  • Many teams, such as the Boston Red Sox, Los Angeles Dodgers, and the Toronto Blue Jays have never had a first overall pick. - "Many" is WP:WEASEL, "Various" would better here
  • The second part of the lead needs to be expanded to summarize the list a bit more, who was the first overall draft pick in the history of the draft, the most recent, etc.
  • The legend should be made into a table, and renaming the section to Key
  • The coloring in the table should only cover the name of the player not the whole row.
  • Wilson has not officially retired, but last played in the Golden Baseball League before being released in June 2008. - source?--SRX 15:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I've addressed all of your points, so hopefully it's okay now. See The Morning (talk) 05:32, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further comments
  • In 1965, Rick Monday became the first number one overall draft pick after he was chosen by the Kansas City Athletics, while Tim Beckham was the most recent number one overall draft after he was chosen by the Tampa Bay Rays in 2008. - how about ...while Tim Beckham is the most recent number overall draft pick after he was chosen by the Tampa Bay Rays in 2008.
  • Overall, 18 of the 44 picks to date have made the participated in the All Star Game, and two, Bob Horner and Darryl Strawberry, have the Rookie of the Year Award. - remove the made the and add won before the Rookie of the Year Award.
  • Meanwhile, 20 of the 44 picks have been drafted straight out of high school, while the rest have been picked out of university. --> Meanwhile, 20 of the 44 picks have been drafted from high schools, while the others were drafted from universities.
  • Convert the key into a table, as seen in List of New Orleans Saints head coaches#Key--SRX 19:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, I've addressed all of your issues, hopefully now it's okay. See The Morning (talk) 05:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The "active players" note in the key should also be in the table.--SRX 22:03, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Support - the list now fulfills WP:WIAFL.--SRX 16:29, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments by -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c]

Resolved comments from Nurmsook

Oppose from Nurmsook (talk · contribs)

  • The First-Year Player Draft link in the opening sentence links to a disambiguation page; should be piped.
  • "The first draft took place in 1965 in order to curb the signing bonuses. Originally, three separate drafts were held each year. First draft took place in June, which involved new high school graduates and college seniors who had just finished their seasons. The second draft took place in January for high school and college players who graduated in the winter. Finally, third draft took place in August was for players who participated in amateur summer leagues." I have a lot of issues with this part of the lead:
    • "The first draft took place in 1965 in order to curb the signing bonuses." What was the problem with them? Don't put the before signing bonuses.
    • "First draft took place in June..." Try "The first draft took place in June and involved...". I also don't think you need to put "new" before high school graduates. Seems redundant.
    • "Finally, third draft took place in August was for players who participated in amateur summer leagues." This sentence makes next to no sense. Try "Finally, the third draft, which took place in August, was for players..." Also, don't use summer (or winter for that matter, as you did in the previous sentence) per WP:SEASON.
      • They're officially known as "Summer Leagues", but I've added "American" to clear up any confusion, so hopefully that's okay See The Morning (talk) 05:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 1965, Rick Monday became the first number one overall draft pick after he was chosen by the Kansas City Athletics,..." Lots of clutter in that sentence; try "In 1965, Rick Monday became MLB's first draft pick after being selected by..."
  • "...while Tim Beckham was the most recent number one overall draft after he was chosen by the Tampa Bay Rays in 2008." More gramatical errors. The most recent number one overall draft? Isn't he a pick, not a draft? Most recent number one overall...way too wordy.
  • "Overall, 18 of the 44 picks to date have made the participated in the All Star Game, and two, Bob Horner and Darryl Strawberry, have the Rookie of the Year Award." Have made the participated? Have the ROY? Scratch "made the" from the first and add "won the" to the second.
  • "Various teams, such as the Boston Red Sox, Los Angeles Dodgers, and the Toronto Blue Jays have never had a first overall pick." Just get rid of this whole section. It's too POV to include only a select number of teams to never have had the first pick.
  • The key has two symbols and colors for Rookie of the Year. I'm confused, why do two things in the key mean the same thing? Also, capitalize "retired" and link the All-Star game key.
  • Why is Luke Hochevar's team listed as UofT, when the footnote states that his team when he was drafted was Fort Worth?
    • U of T was his university, not his team. Hochevar was placed in a situation where he was not drafted out of university, but rather out of Independent Leagues. See The Morning (talk) 05:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the Griffey Jr. caption "Ken Griffey Jr. 1997 AL MVP, taken first overall in the 1985 First-Year Player Draft" you need a comma after Griffey Jr. and you need to disambiguate the draft link.

Right now, there are just way too many gramatical and factual errors to let this pass. – Nurmsook! talk... 21:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC) Thanks for your comments I've addressed all but the two I marked above. See The Morning (talk) 05:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, where to start. I went through and did a minor copyedit of the article to address some of my own issues with the grammar in the article, so that is mostly fixed. Right now, the one big issue that is really bothering me and hindering my support of this article is the Luke Hochevar situation. The article is very contradictory. I gather he was drafted three times total, but the only time that applie to this list is the third time he was drafted. To start, the lead states that "Meanwhile, 20 of the 44 picks have been drafted from high schools, while the others were drafted from universities." This is also stated in the list itself when the University of Tennessee is listed as Hochvar's college. But as I stated before, the footnote states that he "was drafted out of Fort Worth of the Independent League in 2006." So let me get this straight, even though he was drafted out of Fort Worth, you are including him as someone being drafted out of college? This is simply factually incorrect. Firstly, that statement needs to change so to mention that one player was drafted out of the Independant League. Secondly, you should consider fixing the field of the table showing University or High School. Can't you simply put "amateur club"? I don't know why it is important at all that Hochevar is from UofT when all that matters is that he was drafted out of Fort Worth. This whole thing is very confusing to the reader and makes the section in the lead factually incorrect. I'll go through this article more thouroughly soon with another copyedit, but until then, I can't support this article with this glarring factual error. – Nurmsook! talk... 07:58, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to be unable to do another copyedit until the night of January 1st, so I'll give you a few more things to work on:
Many of the links in the schools part of the table link to disambiguation pages. Work on piping those (ie: Cal State Fulerton should really be California State University, Fulerton I believe)
Done, but the only problem I've got is that there is no wikipedia page for the Brooklyn Thomas Jefferson High School, so for now I've just removed the link. See The Morning (talk) 03:39, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There should be a better footnote explaining why Danny Goodwin was picked first overall twice. Right now it just says how it's the same guy. But why did this happen? – Nurmsook! talk... 19:46, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: MUCH improved since I first looked at the article. Good job! – Nurmsook! talk... 04:25, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by NatureBoyMD

  • The list looks great. The only thing I would recommend is to put a note in the table key concerning links the "Year" column. Let the reader know that the link goes to an article about that year's draft and not a regular year link 1978, year in baseball (1978), or MLB season (1978). -NatureBoyMD (talk) 00:10, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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