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The list was promoted by Crisco 1492 12:53, 26 March 2015 [1].

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Nominator(s): —Vensatry (ping) 16:43, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting list. Given that we have only 10 cricketers performing this "feat" outside of Test cricket, I thought it's best to have all the three combined. Look forward to comments and suggestions. —Vensatry (ping) 16:43, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Only two queries:

  • You might center the references in the table as they look much better than being on left.
    • I don't think that's a requirement. All the entries are aligned to the left and this one is no different. —Vensatry (ping) 07:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • How about using {{Tooltip}} for more clarification for Ref? --FrankBoy (Buzz) 21:27, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Initial quick comments from Harrias talk
  • "Lords Cricket Ground" should be "Lord's Cricket Ground".
  • I would prefer the "Name" column left aligned, but that is personal preference.
  • The fixed column widths seem wrong, South Africa is across two lines on my screen when the home team.
  • The runs column does not sort at all correctly for me, it needs a sortkey.
  • The date is wrong for Test #6.
  • Merge the last paragraph of the lead, which is only one sentence, into the previous paragraph. Harrias talk 17:58, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first four sentences of the second paragraph are somewhat repetitive: "South African Bernard Tancred... when he made...", "England's Bobby Abel... when he made...", "Bill Woodfull of Australia... when he made...", "Australian Bill Brown... he made..."
  • "Australia has performed this feat more than any other country.." I think this should be "Australian players have..."
  • For some reason the column widths for the T20I table display differently than the two above, though it looks like they should all line up?
    • I don't have a clue here. What do you suggest? —Vensatry (ping) 19:37, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've had a bit of a play around with the column widths, and made the T20I table sortable (even though it only has one entry) and they now all line up fine on my screen. How does it look to you? Harrias talk 15:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add "Inn." to the Key.
  • I think it would be worth adding a note for each instance of not all 10 wickets being taken as to why that was.
  • The South African flags need time correcting: prior to 31 May 1910, South Africa did not have a unified flag, so it probably isn't appropriate to use one at all. From 31 May 1928 you can use {{cr|SAF|1958}}, and from 27 April 1994 the current one. Harrias talk 16:24, 23 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've tidied these up a little bit. Harrias talk 15:43, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Quick drive-by comment......
  • Is it worth putting something in to the effect that carrying the bat is far less likely to happen in ODIs and (especially) T20Is because it's much less likely that a team will lose all twn wickets.........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • I tried finding a source for this. But sadly couldn't find any. —Vensatry (ping) 10:11, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Resolved comments from ~~~~
Comments
  • "a batsman ending up scoring" not keen on "ending up", not even sure it's necessary.
  • Image caption needs a full stop.
  • "he made 206 against England" when?
  • "A total of five ..." No real need for "A total of" here.
  • "thrice" a bit archaic, three times is more standard.
  • "and English cricketer" you've already said "cricketer", perhaps Englishman?
  • "occasion where a player made centuries on two occasions" repetitive prose.
  • "more number of times" missing something here, either it should be something like "more than any other country" and that would be better if you said "Batsmen from Australia have ... more than ..." etc, or else a different reword is needed.
  • "to achieve this" would be better to reinforce "to carry his bat" rather than "achieve this"
  • " is the most recent cricketer" in Test cricket, so make sure that's noted.
  • " 84-in Zimbabwe's total of 205-against " if these are supposed to be spaced en-dashes, make them such!
  • "the following year" -> The following year.
  • "scoring 63 runs" I would add a comma before this clause and also note how many runs the Windies scored in total, for context.
  • Not sure the M of Match needs to be capitalised for Test matches. In fact, for consistency across the table captions, you could just have Tests.
  • You have Tied in the key but it's not used anywhere.
  • Innings 21, Kingston is a dab.
  • I've not seen W.A.C.A. with full stops before...
  • Russel Arnold has only one l in his first name.
  • Ref 7, shouldn't the surname come first, per the other such refs?

That's it for me, fundamentally a very good list, which needs a few minor tweaks. Good work. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:25, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Think I've fixed all. Thanks for the comments —Vensatry (ping) 18:52, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • I think you should incorporate "after all 10 wickets have fallen" into the first sentence. Because a limited-overs innings does indeed "end" at the end of 20/50 overs.
  • I think you should mention that Bernard Tancred's 26* remains the lowest made while carrying the bat.
  • Delink the cities under Venue; they aren't relevant here.
OLINK explicitly states "names of major geographic features and locations" are not usually linked, especially when "they are [not] particularly relevant to the topic of the article".—indopug (talk) 19:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, it states only major locations. Since I've not added the names of the countries, it's worth linking the cities. —Vensatry (ping) 19:40, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Make sure the widths of the columns of all three tables are the same so it looks orderly.
  • Have you found sources that illustrate the implications of what happens when a batsman carries his bat? For eg, it often means he is the lone knight standing while the rest of his team have performed poorly; this is borne out by the fact that in a majority of cases the team of the batsman carrying his bat loses. It'd be great if you could squeeze a couple of lines on this in the lead.—indopug (talk) 17:54, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sadly I'm not able to find any online source that elaborates the topic beyond its basic definition. Think @Harrias: has a collection of Wisden publications, which am sure will contain a lot of information about this. —Vensatry (ping) 19:17, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (once the cities are delinked, per above) A fine, well-sourced list.—indopug (talk) 19:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Well-written and well-sourced list, it meets the criteria.--Carioca (talk) 22:20, 9 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Harrias, The Rambling Man, Indopug, and ChrisTheDude: Guys, requesting you to re-visit the nomination. —Vensatry (ping) 19:47, 20 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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