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List of chief ministers from the Indian National Congress edit

Nominator(s): 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 07:45, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is my second political list nomination. I am nominating this for featured list because I've worked on revamping this list over the last few weeks and feel that it's up to a pretty good standard. Contains everything needed to become a FL such as a good lead, sources and a clear table. Criticism, suggesting improvements most welcome. Thank you.. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 07:45, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Kavyansh edit

I have few initial concerns about the notability of the list itself. This is just a huge compilation of list of all the chief ministers of a particular political party. Is there any reason why this meets WP:NLIST? Are there relevant reliable source discussion (not verifying) that "List of chief ministers from the Indian National Congress" is a topic of scholar interest? Because a collection of data can be classified in any possible manner, but Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. So, while I am not opposing now, I wanted to know your (and others) opinion regarding this. What further concerns me is that List of chief ministers from the Bharatiya Janata Party is already a FL, but my concerns yet stand. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 08:07, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for respoding. Honestly, I had no intention developing this list initially, but then I saw List of chief ministers from the Bharatiya Janata Party which is FL. I thought such lists might be meeting WP:NLIST, otherwise we would not had FL like this. In my opinion, such list should be relevant, also we cannot add it in main article. Moreover, we have several list including List of chief ministers from the Aam Aadmi Party, List of chief ministers from the Communist Party of India (Marxist). So, the idea of having a list that could possibly explain a political party's leadership in different states of India seems fine to me.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 09:50, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we do have other lists, but I am concerned about the notability of all those lists, not just this one. Another thing to note is that we do have lists for CMs of individual states (like List of chief ministers of [state's name]). I presume all those lists have a column on the CMs political affiliation. So what information does this list/these lists add to the reader? All information available here is already available in individual lists (including name, constituency, term, assemble, etc.). I see this as a violation of WP:FL?#3c Additionally, if I am not wrong, most of the list is cited to http://www.worldstatesmen.org/India_states.html. Why is that particular source a WP:RS? – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 10:16, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think such lists are useful if someone wants to know list of CMs for all states from a particular party, at one place; be it incumbant or previous. I have removed [[2]] ref. I do not know who added and what could be the reason. Also, I do not see its significance here.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 13:47, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I presume that the reason for adding that source would be that it verifies the tenure and term of office of each CM. The individual references the list have do not verify that. For example, Ref#7 (after "Chief Minister of Andhra State") has no mention of either of the 2 chief ministers, or their tenure, etc. Currently, most of the list fails WP:V, and that was the only reference supporting everything. Assuming that other agree with the notability of the list, we'll still need inline citations verifying everything present in the table, which currently is not the case. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:46, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Honestly, I cannot explain about others than this since I am not a contributor to those lists. I can solved list of concerns raised with regards to this list. Besides, I am in process of adding sources to individual table. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 12:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility review (MOS:DTAB) edit

All of these comments apply to all tables.
Tables need captions, which allow screen reader software to jump straight to named tables without having to read out all of the text before it each time. Visual captions can be added by putting |+ caption_text as the first line of the table code; if that caption would duplicate a nearby section header, you can make it screen-reader-only by putting |+ {{sronly|caption_text}} instead.

Done

Tables need column scopes for all column header cells, which in combination with row scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Column scopes can be added by adding !scope=col to each header cell, e.g. ! rowspan="2" |Name becomes !scope=col rowspan="2" |Name. If the cell spans multiple columns, then use !scope=colgroup instead. Note that in the case that you have two levels of column headers, both cells need colscopes.

Done

Not done- where you have !scope=col colspan=3 (e.g. 'Term of office') it needs to be !scope=colgroup colspan=3, and for the sub-header cells ('From', 'To', and 'Days in office'), you need colscopes, so ! From becomes !scope=col| From. --Pres N 00:08, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Apologies. Please have a look now.

Tables need row scopes on the "primary" column for each row, which in combination with column scopes lets screen reader software accurately determine and read out the headers for each cell of a data table. Row scopes can be added by adding !scope=row to each primary cell, e.g. | 1 becomes !scope=row | 1. If the cell spans multiple rows, then use !scope=rowgroup instead.

Done

The table-spanning cells (e.g. Chief Ministers of Hyderabad State (1948–1956)) can't be used. Not only do they result in weird results for screen readers (e.g. the screen reader reads out the first column header and the cell, then the second column header and the same cell again, etc. even though no column headers actually apply to the text in the cell at all), but they don't even work for fully-sighted viewers- just sort the table and they all stop being in any useful place. If you want to logically divide a table with three subsections into three parts, make it three tables or else move that information to a new column.

Done--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 13:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please see MOS:DTAB for example table code if this isn't clear. I don't return to these reviews until the nomination is ready to close, so ping me if you have any questions. --Pres N 23:24, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Noted. Please allow me sufficient time to make the changes, since the list is quite lengthy. I will let you know after I address all concerns raised. Thanks. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 15:21, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @TheWikiholic: can you please help me resolving table issues raised here. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 13:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @PresN:, all issues raised have been addressed. Please have a look and let me know if anything is missing. Thank you. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 14:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:18, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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