Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of awards and nominations received by Katy Perry/archive2
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This list was to featured list back in October 2008 but somehow things did not work out and was demoted in June 2009 due to criteria change. I have been working on it on on-and-off-again basis and have finally been able to make it here. I have modeled the list based on recently promoted lists by me -- accolades by Taylor Swift, Adele and Lady Gaga. I believe the list meets the featured list criteria and I would appreciate comments for further improving the list. Thank you. -- Frankie talk 21:25, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I added myself as co-nom since I'm also a major contributor. Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:44, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Support from an IP - Good work, but this list have 1 dead link you should fix! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.52.120.50 (talk • contribs) 10:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Many thanks, IP. I've fixed the link. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:06, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- 1.52.120.50, why would you support a list when it had a dead link at the time? I understand that a lot of work went into making the article, but it's hard to think the list met the featured list criteria at the time of the review if there was a dead link. One of the nominators thankfully took care of the issue, but try to wait for the article to meet the criteria before supporting next time, or your support may not be given much weight. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:37, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Looks like it meets the criteria. Sources are reliable, and there is a good amount of information, everything appears to be sourced. Good work to everyone who worked on the article. Everything I was able to find earlier from quick skims last month, was fixed. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 18:50, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks Joseph :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:08, 16 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Birdienest81 (talk) 05:38, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] |
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- Support: No other pressing issues found.
- --Birdienest81 (talk) 05:42, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Much appreciated, Birdie :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 06:02, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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That's it. GagaNutellatalk 01:53, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comments from shaidar cuebiyar
- For each award, the organisation that presents the award should be cited. Any information about the award written in each subsection should be cited such as when it was first given, for what, how the recipient is determined.
- Yup, as you can see, I have cited sources on introductory lines on awards.
- For some awards the article does not provide any information on: When were they first awarded? How the recipient is determined?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think one "should" add these info as I don't find them necessary at all. A one or two-liner introduction should be okay and as for these info they can be found in their respective articles.
- For some awards the article does not provide any information on: When were they first awarded? How the recipient is determined?shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Yup, as you can see, I have cited sources on introductory lines on awards.
- The APRA Awards (Australia) are co-presented by APRA and AMCOS: the latter organisation has been ignored from the lead-in sentence, it should also be in the publisher for the ref.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:52, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Shaidar cuebiyar: Thanks for your concern, now addressed. -- Frankie talk 09:57, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- APRA and AMCOS are separate, but related organisations, the APRA article does not even mention AMCOS so I don't see any advantage in linking to it.
- Both initialisms are unlikely to be as familiar as say, MTV, and so should be spelled out for the casual reader in the lead-in sentence.
- The songwriters, as well as the artist, are recipients – they have not been mentioned.
- Finally the year of the award should be linked to its WP article.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I have added the song as the nominated work not Perry or the songwriters so it makes sense to not add the songwriters as well as Perry's name. -- Frankie talk 10:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- However, the Lead-in sentence says "to honor outstanding music artists and songwriters of the year" and whilst Perry is the music artist (and is rightly acknowledged as such) the songwriters have been ignored. Without them being given, a casual reader may believe that Perry herself is the songwriter, too. I see this as misleading, at least, or even a contradiction of the lead-in sentence.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:40, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, mentioned them in a footnote. -- Frankie talk 12:15, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Not quite. According to the source, the song is an adaptation of one originally written by B Wilson and M Love, these two songwriters should also be acknowledged and wL. I've just checked at an ASCAP ACE title search: eight songwriters are given (including Wilson and Love). APRA's own website, also, has all eight (see here).
- Neither of the initialisms are spelled out: what does APRA and AMCOS stand for? Most of the surrounding awards have organisations with initialisms, which are spelled out e.g. AMA, ARIA, ASCAP.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Added songwriters. Also, APRA stands for Australasian Performing Right Association, but I couldn't find anything on AMCOS. Removed the AMCOS bit for now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:19, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- AMCOS are the Australasian Mechanical Copyright Owners Society: they provide the data for performance awards. They should have their own WP article but I'm busy with other work.
- Added songwriters. Also, APRA stands for Australasian Performing Right Association, but I couldn't find anything on AMCOS. Removed the AMCOS bit for now. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:19, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, mentioned them in a footnote. -- Frankie talk 12:15, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- However, the Lead-in sentence says "to honor outstanding music artists and songwriters of the year" and whilst Perry is the music artist (and is rightly acknowledged as such) the songwriters have been ignored. Without them being given, a casual reader may believe that Perry herself is the songwriter, too. I see this as misleading, at least, or even a contradiction of the lead-in sentence.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:40, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I have added the song as the nominated work not Perry or the songwriters so it makes sense to not add the songwriters as well as Perry's name. -- Frankie talk 10:50, 26 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Shaidar cuebiyar: Thanks for your concern, now addressed. -- Frankie talk 09:57, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Additionally, I've just noticed a problem with the infobox tally. The APRA Award nom is presented as a win.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:30, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:32, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, added the full form of AMCOS. -- Frankie talk 22:19, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Support –– Well done, Frankie and Snuggums.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:59, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you! Snuggums (talk / edits) 23:05, 28 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NapHit (talk) 17:24, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] |
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It's quite concerning that there are already a number of supports, when it appears that there a few fundamental issues with this list. NapHit (talk) 11:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] |
It's better now, but a lot of these issues were basic and should have been picked up earlier, especially with the list already having numerous supports. Ref 190 is not formatted properly, I'll remain neutral for now, as I want to see what other reviewers have to say. NapHit (talk) 17:24, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:45, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: Congrats, this list looks great. GagaNutellatalk 16:02, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Many thanks to you :D Snuggums (talk / edits) 16:57, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 21:42, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply] |
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A few things to address here before the impressive support can be converted into a gold star. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:03, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Resolved comments from Cowlibob (talk) 21:34, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply] |
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*I would check the awards description is matched by the reference.
Have another look, Cowlibob. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:40, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply] |
- Comments from Aaron
- I think the opening paragraph is too U.S. centric. I know she's American, but I think say adding the Brit Awards to it would be nice too.
- Two singles from the album—"I Kissed a Girl" and "Hot n Cold"—were nominated for the Grammy Award for Best Female Pop Vocal Performance → In two separate years, no? Maybe I'm being too picky...
Apart from that, I can't see why this list shouldn't be promoted. Support. — Calvin999 10:38, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Calvin999, I think Brit Awards weren't included cause she only won one. But I do agree with you on the second point. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 10:48, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- She's never won a Grammy but that's included. — Calvin999 10:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Grammys are more notable, and she has been nominated for 13. The Brit Awards seems pretty irrelevant in comparison. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 10:57, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I see what you mean on this being US-centric, Calvin999, so I used Canada in place of US for "Roar" and "Dark Horse" as they both went number one there as well. Also added BRIT win. Thank you for the support. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:29, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Who says Grammy's are more notable than Brits? Grammy's aren't more notable to the people of the United Kingdom. The Brits is the British equivalent of the Grammy's. It's not all about America, you know Joseph Prasad. You're lucky you still have my Support and you have Snuggum's to thank for it. — Calvin999 17:03, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- More: However, I envisioned the following "She has also been nominated for 13 Grammy Awards, 4 Radio Disney Music Awards and 4 Brit Awards (winning one)." The opening paragraph is still U.S. centric. — Calvin999 17:07, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The other nominee is FrB.TG, just saying. Added ARIA, Brit, Juno, Myx, NRJ, and Q Awards to lead. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:27, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict) Oh, I assumed by how he said it he was your co-nom. Either way, my point still stands for Joseph. The world does not revolve around American industry and many people would take issue with what he said. I hope he learns from this. This is a really good list and I it will be promoted. I nominated one too today if you get time Snuggums. — Calvin999 17:41, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you again. I do feel it looks better now with more non-U.S. accolades to show diversity. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:46, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It's always best to, otherwise people might think she never got nominated for outside the U.S. — Calvin999 17:48, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Very good point. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:58, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Calvin999, when I said more notable, I did not mean one Grammy is more notable than one Brit. I meant being nominated for 13 grammys is more notable than winning one Brit. If an act won, say 3 Kids Choice Awards in say, Mexico, but won 10 in the US, what would be more notable? Right, the US ones. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- There's no point trying to change or justify what you meant now, and here isn't the place for it. — Calvin999 19:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Calvin999, when I said more notable, I did not mean one Grammy is more notable than one Brit. I meant being nominated for 13 grammys is more notable than winning one Brit. If an act won, say 3 Kids Choice Awards in say, Mexico, but won 10 in the US, what would be more notable? Right, the US ones. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 19:06, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Very good point. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:58, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It's always best to, otherwise people might think she never got nominated for outside the U.S. — Calvin999 17:48, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you again. I do feel it looks better now with more non-U.S. accolades to show diversity. Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:46, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict) Oh, I assumed by how he said it he was your co-nom. Either way, my point still stands for Joseph. The world does not revolve around American industry and many people would take issue with what he said. I hope he learns from this. This is a really good list and I it will be promoted. I nominated one too today if you get time Snuggums. — Calvin999 17:41, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I see what you mean on this being US-centric, Calvin999, so I used Canada in place of US for "Roar" and "Dark Horse" as they both went number one there as well. Also added BRIT win. Thank you for the support. Snuggums (talk / edits) 15:29, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Grammys are more notable, and she has been nominated for 13. The Brit Awards seems pretty irrelevant in comparison. -- Joseph Prasad (talk) 10:57, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- She's never won a Grammy but that's included. — Calvin999 10:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: This is a beautiful list. I support its promotion to FL status, assuming all concerns raised by other editors are addressed. Great work! ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:46, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:20, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – With a minor comment, the second notation for "The songwriters, Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Benjamin Levin, Bonnie McKee, Brian Wilson, Michael Love, and Calvin Broadus, were also nominated" should really be "The songwriters, Perry, Lukasz Gottwald, Max Martin, Benjamin Levin, Bonnie McKee, Brian Wilson, Michael Love, and Calvin Broadus, were nominated". Adding the word also implies there were subsequent others involved whereas it was just the songwriters. —Indian:BIO [ ChitChat ] 16:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source review: Formatting is as per MoS, the references are reliable, no dead links and spot checks reveals no evidence of plagiarism or close copying.A few issues regarding their accuracy:- Source 27 does not list the nominees of the 2011 Billboard Awards.
- Source 28 does not support anything the article claims. Neither does source 30.
- Source 166 does say that she won one award at Teen Choice Awards 2011 but not specifically which. There is also no reference for her nominations at the ceremony.
- Ref 167 does list the nominees and winners of TCA 2012 but not Perry's win for Choice Fashion: Red Carpet Fashion Icon Female.
- Thanks for the source review. I have fixed every issue listed above. -- Frankie talk 09:15, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- There are one or two occurrences of shouty refs that needs sorting (108, 117 and 121, for example, but check for others)
- Check your linking within the sources – Variety is linked on the second instance, not the first
- Check the dashes: FN29 looks like the wrong type
- SchroCat (talk) 16:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Hopefully everything is fixed by now. -- Frankie talk 16:50, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FLC/ar, and leave the {{featured list candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. – SchroCat (talk) 16:14, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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