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The list was promoted by Giants2008 22:14, 16 April 2010 [1].

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Nominator(s): Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 02:48, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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I am nominating this for featured list because I feel the article meets the Featured List criteria. This is the first article/list that I've made that I've ever nominated for Feature List quality, so I'm not very familiar with every detail the list needs, so I'm very sure that this article might need minor edits. Thanks, Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 02:48, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Jujutacular T · C 18:34, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
  • I currently don't see any kind of order for the list. I would say replace "Xth Foo Awards..." with "Foo Awards" and just order the list alphabetically by the awards.
Done. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 15:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 15:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add a column for the date of the ceremony for each award.
I can not do that because I can not find all the ceremony dates for all of the awards (such as for the "Gold Trailers"). Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 12:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
This source says the 2008 Golden Trailer Awards took place on May 8, 2008. Jujutacular T · C 14:58, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, lol, thanks for the link. I'm currently working on adding the dates of the awards ceremonies to the chart. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 15:14, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I think that I've properly formatted the chart table. I currently have the chart table in my user sandbox, can you see if this is the way it should be formatted so that I could then add it to the article? Thanks, Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 17:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 11:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Jujutacular T · C 01:59, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your support. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 00:21, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 06:44, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Fixed. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 20:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "from the top newspapers" what's a "top newspaper"?
Fixed. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 19:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "to the casts acting performance" I think there's an apostrophe missing here.
Done. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 19:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The film won all five of its nominations at the 25th Independent Spirit Awards, for Best Feature, Best First Screenplay, Best Female Lead and Best Supporting Female." I count four here.
Fixed. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 19:35, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • " The film won its only nomination, the People's Choice Award, at the 34th Toronto International Film Festival, and Breakthrough Performance by an Actress, at the 81st National Board of Review Awards. The film also won its only nomination,..." confusing, you keep saying "won its only nomination..." but it's unclear if this is in general or from a specific body.
Fixed. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 19:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Recipients and nominees" - not true. I don't see all the nominees for each category here.
Could you please specify where you do not see a nominee from a category? Thanks, Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 19:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, misunderstanding here. You're not listing all nominees for a given award, just the Precious nominee... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In the list when the film was nominated for something like Best Film/Picture the award site simply listed Precious as the recipient. With noms. like SAG award for Outstanding cast, it did not specify the actors who were included, it just stated Precious as the credited recipient. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 20:45, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't like the linking of the date to the specific ceremony. In fact, I'd prefer to see just a year, then a specific link to specific ceremony.
  • What is the ordering of the list? Given the table is unsortable, I would normally expect it to be sorted by the first column. Clearly it isn't, but it's odd. Perhaps it's related to the fact I don't like the ceremony date, I'd prefer just a year and a specific link to the ceremony.......

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As per the user above, I added the ceremony dates for each award ceremony; the list was originally formatted by A-Z and the award would be linked to the award ceremony or just the award itself. Would you prefer if I changed the list back to it's previous version? Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 19:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
@TRM. This is the sorting method used in every similar featured list: List of accolades received by No Country for Old Men, List of accolades received by Ratatouille, List of accolades received by WALL-E. That's why I recommended it. Jujutacular T · C 19:53, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would move the "date of ceremony" to not be the first column then. It seems odd to have a table which is initially out of order. Whatever other FLs have, I'm not sure about this. And no response regarding the reliability of IMDB... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, and yes, agree IMDB is not a reliable source. Jujutacular T · C 20:29, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm currently working on reformatting the awards/nominations list. Crystal Clear x3 [talk]
Done. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 21:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I don't have any problem with this list. All right. TbhotchTalk C. 01:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)
  • "The film grossed $47,536,959 domestically and $53,455,664 worldwide." Why so precise? Round to the nearest million (or at least tenth of a million); it's neater to read and there's more margin for error if the source is wrong.
Done. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 17:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Typo in ref 30; should be "Viacom", not "Vaicom".
Done. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 17:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ordering the list like Avatar's has been disputed (see resolved comments by The Rambling Man). Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 17:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm interested in what DrNegative has to say about this; will withold support for now. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:05, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from DrNegative (talk · contribs)

  • The nomination column in the info-box should contain the count of all nominations, including the nominations that eventually became wins. All award wins are still nominations as well. This also makes it easier for the reader by presenting the awards count of wins/noms as numerator/denominator.
Done. Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 17:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • My personal opinion here, I feel the dates look better on the left-hand column of the list, followed by the awards which are alphabetized, and then the award "category" column. More than likely, your average reader will constantly ignore the date column in between the two as it is now when comparing what accolades where won for the particular award ceremony and it may be more of an annoyance. DrNegative (talk) 00:10, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ordering the list like that has been disputed (see resolved comments by the Rambling Man) Crystal Clear x3 [talk] 17:50, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have read Rambling Man's comments and I can see his point too. I guess it comes down to personal taste at this point and I am just trying to get our film-awards lists to a certain standard format so to speak. List of accolades received by Ratatouille, List of accolades received by WALL-E, and now List of accolades received by Avatar all follow the same format so I don't think we should deviate from it. However, I can't place my opinion above Rambling Man's because he makes a good point too. We need a compromise of some sort it seems. DrNegative (talk) 01:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just to add my input, does it really matter if the date of the award ceremony is on the left or right side in the awards table; a Featured list is suppose to be about whether or not the article meets all of the FL requirements, not about "personal taste" on how the awards table should be formatted, just sayin'. Crystal Clear x3 17:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Right, which is why I was hoping to see this inconsistency addressed on all film awards lists. I guess you're right; this isn't the best place to settle the issue. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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