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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 06:56, 8 April 2010 [1].

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Nominator(s): DrNegative (talk) 19:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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This list was created to include all major and regional awards and nominations for the film Avatar. It is thoroughly sourced and cited and meets all content and style requirements (to my knowledge) for a featured list. The content will be stable since all major awards for which the film would qualify have now been awarded and any future accolades would likely encompass "Best of..." or "Top films of..." types of inclusion in the future. DrNegative (talk) 19:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 17:20, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Knee-jerk lead comments
  • "List of accolades" vs "List of awards won by Avatar" vs "Awards & Nominations" - what is this list about?
That is the title that Wikiproject Films agreed to call award pages related to films. Im not defending it, just explaining. I am not sure how to address this one. The archived discussion can be found here. DrNegative (talk) 22:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "American science fiction epic film" what makes it American?
This was discussed for the main article here and here. Current consensus notes it as an American film based on the distribution studio who also financed the majority of the film's budget, which in this case is 20th Century Fox, headquartered in Los Angeles, California. DrNegative (talk) 22:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • #1 is to be avoided per our MOS.
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 22:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Isn't all time supposed to be all-time?
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 22:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess those $ are US? link it.
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 22:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "winning for Art Direction" perhaps this is US Eng but I see no need for the "for" here.
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 22:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Split the Academy/BAFTA sentence as it reads poorly right now.
Fixed. I am assuming you were talking about the Academy/Golden Globe sentence. I split it up. DrNegative (talk) 23:01, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Visual Effects Society awarded the film six awards for its achievement in visual effects" read that again and tell me if it's a bit of a dud sentence.
Tweaked this sentence a little for better flow. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Three "received" in consecutive sentences...
Rewrote and removed several "received" from paragraphs. DrNegative (talk) 22:54, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is CGI?
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 22:40, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deal with these first, then I'll review the list. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your suggestions. I attempted to rectify the problems that you stated to the best of my ability and will do so on any future issues that you note as well. DrNegative (talk) 23:06, 10 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very nice list, and I see no further problems. Reywas92Talk 21:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:27, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)
*Comment I don't think File:Avatar (2009 film) poster.jpg can be justifiably included in this list. It does not aid readers' understanding of the awards the film received (the main focus of the list). Dabomb87 (talk) 23:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Removed. DrNegative (talk) 23:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • Publications in the references need to be italicized; you can do this by changing "publisher" to "work" in the citation templates. I saw Los Angeles Times, but there may be others.
I found about 8 that were publications and changed to "work" in the citation templates for each. DrNegative (talk) 17:21, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref titles that are in all caps should be converted to title case.
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 17:03, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Found more suitable sources for all the above. DrNegative (talk) 16:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Spell out abbreviations of reference publishers. I saw NAACP and BAFTA, but there may be others. You probably don't need to spell out NBC or ABC, though.
Removed acronyms and spelled out. DrNegative (talk) 16:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's also a dab link, check the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:37, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Removed it, already had a primary source anyway. DrNegative (talk) 18:14, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Everything looks good to me. Great work. Jujutacular T · C 19:02, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Mm40 (talk) 16:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Mm40 (talk)
Comments from Mm40 (talk)
  • In the second sentence ("The film was premiered...") do you need to repeat 2009 in the dates?
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "with an approval rating" I think "with" should be changed to "accumulated" or "garnered" or something similar
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Four of five sentences ion the second paragraph begins with "The film"; you can use "Avatar" once or twice
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "and it won" in the Golden Globe sentence sounds odd. I'm not sure if there's anyway to reword it, though
Tweaked. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "six awards during their annual awards ceremony" is their any way to avoid repeating "awards"?
Tweaked. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "of the top ten films of the year" the repetition of "of the: makes this sound clunky. How about "of the year's top ten films"?
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is top ten hyphenated or not? You use both styles
Removed hyphen. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should there be a comma before "and the New York Film Critics Online"?
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are the last two sentences of the lead, about the Southern Sky Column, relevant to this article? They're not mentioned in the table. It's interesting, though, so I'm not completely against keeping it in
These were moved over from the awards section in the main article. I thought I could be considered a notable accolade mention in the lead although not an award for the chart. If you feel it needs to be removed I can do so. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it Andy Jones or Andrew R. Jones? Stephen Rivkin or Stephen E. Rivkin?
Removed all instances of middle initial for the guys. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you using a non-serial comma with "and" (John, Jane and Joe) or a serial comma without "and" ("John, Jane, Joe")? Be consistent
Fixed. Made consistent. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The MoS doesn't like the use of TM
Removed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's a double comma in the last Saturn Award
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The italics in reference 9 are messed up; "Dallas" is, "Observer" isn't, and the retrieval date is
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Italicize "The Hollywood Reporter" (reference 35) "OK!" (reference 48) and "Los Angeles Times" (reference 53)
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is here supposed to be an external link in reference 36 (Screencrave.com)?
Fixed. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll support once these nitpicks are resolved. Cheers, Mm40 (talk) 13:50, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: I don't think the fair-use image is justified in this case. It does not enhance the readers understanding of the article. Mm40 (talk) 13:57, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly feel that a picture of the producer and director holding the film's most prestigious accolade, which is also mentioned in the lead and table, would help the reader. However, as a reviewer your opinion takes precedence over mine and if you want me to remove it, I will axe it. DrNegative (talk) 16:17, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Images aren't my strong point, so can other reviewers comment on it? Thanks, Mm40 (talk) 16:31, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I must agree with Mm40. From WP:FU: "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose". While this certainly would qualify for fair use under US copyright law, our policies are more stringent. A similar photo could plausibly be taken and released under a free license. I would suggest using File:JamesCameronCCJuly09.jpg. in its place. Jujutacular T · C 20:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. In addition to Jujutacular's reasoning, the purpose of use given is very weak: "To show the reader a pic in the infobox and to give them scope as to what the article is about, in this case Avatar's awards." The scope is made quite clear in the list's title. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Very well. Removed. DrNegative (talk) 21:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your help and guidance everyone. DrNegative (talk) 00:31, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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