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The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 21:57, 21 March 2009 [1].

List of Yukon Quest competitors edit

Nominator(s): JKBrooks85 (talk)
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Hi there! It's been a while since I've submitted a FLC, but I figured it was time to do it again in order to stay in practice. This list includes every participant of the annual Yukon Quest 1,000-mile sled dog race, with champions and award winners color-coded for clarity. There's not as many musher-specific pictures as I'd like, but there are a handful. The list comes from the Yukon Quest's databases of finishers and participants, bolstered by several tables and lists in secondary publications. I feel the prose is clean and clear, and explains enough about the subject without being too overwhelming. As always, if you have a question outside of this review, don't hesitate to drop a note on my talk page. Thanks for your time and your review. JKBrooks85 (talk) 05:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The list of Yukon Quest competitors" FLs don't start like this anymore. See recently promoted FLs for examples of more engaging starts. Dabomb87 (talk) 15:58, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank God. I always hated that insistence in starting it with the name of the article. I've reworked the lede, so feel free to take another look. JKBrooks85 (talk) 00:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Much better. Watch the logical punctuation (I fixed it), ""toughest race in the world."-->"toughest race in the world". I will return for a full review later. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Truco

Review by Truco (talk · contribs)

Lead
  • Its length is equivalent to the distance between England and Africa, and the distance between some checkpoints is equivalent to the breadth of Ireland. -- Unlink Africa and Ireland per WP:LINK, they are common geographical locations.
  • Unlinked. The correct guideline is WP:LINK, btw. WP:LINKS refers to external links only.
  • The racers come from various walks of life. There have been taxicab drivers, a swim instructor, a coal miner, a tax assessor, a lawyer, many fur trappers, several journalists, a car salesman, and more. -- This would be better stated as "The racers have come from various professions: taxicab drivers, a swimming instructor, a coal miner, a tax assessor, a lawyer, fur trappers, journalists, and a car salesman, among others."
  • Agreed. Reworded.
  • The next most-important award is the Veterinarians Choice Award, which is voted by race veterinarians and given to the musher who maintains the best care of his or her dogs during the course of the race. -- Most-important would be sound better in this context if it were replaced with "significant"
  • Good word! I'd struggled with finding the right impartial wording, and I think that's it. Reworded.
  • Following this are the Challenge of the North Award—given to the musher who "exemplifies the spirit of the Yukon Quest—and the sportsmanship award, given to the most sportsmanlike competitor, as chosen by a vote of the mushers. -> "Other supporting awards include the Challenge of the North Award—given to the musher who "exemplifies the spirit of the Yukon Quest—and the sportsmanship award, given to the most sportsmanlike competitor, as chosen by a vote of the mushers."
  • I don't think "supporting" is quite right, so I excised that, but I've reworded the sentence.
  • That's fine.--₮RUCӨ 15:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Michelle Phillips won the Veterinarian's Choice Award, Jamaican musher Newton Marshall won the Challenge of the North Award, Brent Sass won the sportsmanship award, William Kleedehn won the Dawson Award, and four-time Iditarod champion Martin Buser won the Rookie of the Year Award. -- Unlink Jamaican, it's a common geographical location.
  • Done.
  • Because of this, the first-place finisher had his prize reduced from $35,000 to $30,000. -- Since the previous sentence began with Because, this should begin with "As a result,".
  • Done.
Key
  • Transwiki link added to Wiktionary. I believe that's a better course than linking to the disambiguation page at scrach, which also has the definition way down at the bottom.
Competitors
  • Unlink Japan, unless you can give a specific location as to where specifically it is located.
  • Done. I've also removed the links to Switzerland, France, Germany, etc. Do you think I should keep the links to Alaska, or are those narrow enough?
  • Alaska is a state of a country, so its best to link it.--₮RUCӨ 21:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This table would be great if it were sortable
  • Unfortunately, the rowspans make that impossible -- or so I've been told. Is there a way to do it?
  • There is, but it requires more coding. I don't know if you're up to that, but you could also get rid of the row spans as well and replace them with emdashes, but that's if you want, if not its fine how it is.--₮RUCӨ 15:21, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess you didn't want to ;)--₮RUCӨ 21:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Notes
  • There is an inconsistency with the italicizing of the "Fairbanks Daily News-Miner" publisher.
  • You betcha. It was just dropping in italics, right? JKBrooks85 (talk) 08:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Categories
  • Is it necessary to have uncreated categories?--₮RUCӨ 03:09, 8 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support --- Previous issues have been resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--₮RUCӨ 21:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • One of the competitors is shown as "Nash, John" - is his name Nash John and the comma shouldn't be there, or (more likely) is it John Nash and his names are the wrong way round? Either way, it needs fixing..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Good catch. I had to convert the listing from last name first, and I guess I missed that one. Thanks! JKBrooks85 (talk) 11:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "The Yukon Quest International 1,000-mile Sled Dog Race has been called the "most difficult sled dog race in the world"[1] and the "toughest race in the world"." Starting out with two quotes like this is not very helpful (insufficient context) and sounds almost promotional with these fantastic quotes. I suggest splitting the sentences and adding info, like this: "The Yukon Quest International 1,000-mile Sled Dog Race is a is an annual sled dog race between Fairbanks, Alaska, and Whitehorse, Yukon. It has been called the "most difficult sled dog race in the world"[1] and the "toughest race in the world"."
  • "to be the first to race via dog sled" The first to race, or the first to finish in the race?
  • "Only 352 people have participated in the race since its inception in 1984, and even fewer have finished it." "Only" is a bit POV. You may need to reword so that you don't have a number starting a sentence.
  • Link "scratch" in the lead, too.
  • "which is voted by" "voted on".
  • "during the course of the race" Redundancy.
  • Numbers and corresponding units need non-breaking spaces, such as "9 days, 23 hours, and 20 minutes".
  • "by taking 13 days, 23 hours, and 17 minutes to finish"-->by finishing in 13 days, 23 hours, and 17 minutes
  • "Jeff King won the 1989 Yukon Quest and finished twice two times." Spot the redundancy, it's quite glaring.
  • "but has only raced in the Quest once."
  • Is there any way to center the info in the table? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:22, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've made the changes except for the Jeff King item -- he did finish second twice -- and the centering, which will take a little more time than I've got right now. I'd prefer not to do it, but if it really bothers you, it'll take me a while to put all the center style tags on the items. JKBrooks85 (talk) 23:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Take your time on the centering. However, wouldn't you say "Jeff King won the 1989 Yukon Quest and finished second two times"? Dabomb87 (talk) 13:57, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It's nice to see a sports FLC for something different. I'm wondering if you could through in a EL or reference that has an easy list of the winners? If you address this within the next 2 1/2 hours let me know and I'll promote it. -- Scorpion0422 21:29, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure what "EL" is referring to, but both the final two references in the article contain similar lists. JKBrooks85 (talk) 21:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • External link. Could you link directly to one just for simplicity? -- Scorpion0422 21:55, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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