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List of World Heritage Sites in Vietnam edit

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Nominator(s): Damian Vo (talk) 14:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A list covers the UNESCO World Heritage Sites in Vietnam. I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all of the FL criteria. Any feedback is greatly appreciated. Damian Vo (talk) 14:21, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • "Hạ Long Bay and Phong Nha – Kẻ Bàng National Park were listed as natural sites in 1994 and 2003, respectively, before receiving the extension...." - not sure what this means. The two sites received an extension? What was this extension?
  • "used as a driving force for development for tourism in Vietnam" => "used as a driving force for the development of tourism in Vietnam"
  • "which are now lies between the Mã and Bưởi rivers" => "which lie between the Mã and Bưởi rivers" ("now" is not appropriate, as presumably they have always been located between those two rivers)
  • "Suffered from the effects of three wars" => "Having suffered from the effects of three wars"
  • "Ha Long Bay features over 1600 limestone pillars, karsts" - is there an appropriate wikilink for karst? I personally have no idea what one is.
  • "Monolithic islands topped with thick jungle vegetation, rising spectacularly from the ocean." - this is not a complete sentence
  • "Locates near the mouth of the Thu Bồn River" => "Located near the mouth of the Thu Bồn River"
  • "Its architecture reflecting a blend" => "Its architecture reflects a blend"
  • "Phong Nha – Kẻ Bàng located in the middle of the Annamite Range" => "Phong Nha – Kẻ Bàng is located in the middle of the Annamite Range"
  • "Tràng An is a scenic area locates at the southern margin" => "Tràng An is a scenic area located at the southern margin"
  • "A number of researchers found traces similar of 3 kinds of writing system" - no reason for the word "similar" there, as far as I can see
  • "Ba Bể – Na Hang Natural Heritage Area covered by primeval forests" => "Ba Bể – Na Hang Natural Heritage Area is covered by primeval forests"
  • "The area is converged by Gấm River, Năng River, and Ba Bể Lake on karst mountain." - sorry, but I don't understand this at all, it doesn't make sense. Can you reword at all so I can figure out what it's meant to be saying?
  • "Many caves exist for over 10,000 years" => "Many caves have existed for over 10,000 years"
  • "one of the natural forests remaining in Vietnam" - one of the many? one of the few?
  • "The archaeological site composes of 10 different soil layers." => "The archaeological site consists of 10 different soil layers."
  • "Hạ Long Bay was recognized by UNESCO as World Natural Heritage" - should this be "a World Natural Heritage site"?
  • Quite a bit to do there but it should all be easily fixable :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:42, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your comments. I believe I have addressed all your comments above. Damian Vo (talk) 07:04, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I still don't understand the wording "The karst mountains are converged by Gấm River, Năng River, and Ba Bể Lake". Do you mean that the mountains are located where those two rivers meet that lake? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"converged" was used in the UNESCO link so I automatically thought that was fine. I changed it with "surrounded by". Damian Vo (talk) 16:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank u so much :D Damian Vo (talk) 14:02, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Table accessibility review (MOS:DTAB): The table is missing a caption (you have one in the key, but not the main tables).

  • Please add `|+ table caption` to the top of the table, or if it would duplicate a nearby section header you can visually hide the caption as `|+ {{sronly|table caption}}`
--PresN 14:22, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added. Damian Vo (talk) 02:28, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I like that the lead has a couple sources that tie them together as a set of places the government oversees for tourism. Cite [5] did not open for me, however.
Fixed. 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)Damian Vo (talk)
  • The table titles don't need to restate the column headings, "World Heritage Sites" and "Tentative sites" would be fine
Fixed. Damian Vo (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I merged the refs into the description like other WHS FLs, they don't need their own column
  • "It is considered by UNESCO" is unnecessary, you can just describe this as a fact with a citation.
Removed. Damian Vo (talk)
  • "center of the regional political power of Đại Việt for almost thirteen centuries" is very close to the source, please paraphrase more in your own words.
Done. Damian Vo (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "started when Lý Công Uẩn moved the capital of Đại Việt in 1910" in the note [a] is weird grammar, not entirely sure what this means, 1910–2010 is a century
I removed this note altogether since it seems a little bit unnecessary to the article. Damian Vo (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is 1397 considered "ancient"? the source doesn't call the city that.
Removed. Damian Vo (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Having suffered from the effects of three wars" should be preceded by "Despite"
Done. Damian Vo (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Karst is a topography or descriptor, not a countable object, so "1600 limestone pillars, karsts..." doesn't make sense
Fixed. Damian Vo (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. Damian Vo (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "one of the most outstanding limestone karst ecosystems in the world" and "contains terrestrial and aquatic habitats, primary and secondary forest" is too close to the source, please avoid copying
  • "Exploration of caves has revealed archaeological traces of human activity for more than 30,000 years, ranging through the Neolithic and Bronze Ages to the historical era" same
  • The average WHS description is shorter than the average tentative site's; consider adding a little to the shorter ones.
Some of the Tentative sites contain a list of group areas submitted for consideration, therefore it looks longer but still carries the same amount of sentences as the WHS description. Damian Vo (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The most common patterns are images of mountains, hills, and fields" Again, this is lifted directly from the source, which is actually copyrighted.
  • "three kinds of writing system: the pictographs of Han Chinese, as well as talismans of Tày and Dao ethnic group" skip "as well as" because you've introduced a three-item list
Removed. Damian Vo (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "historical-cultural relics, many traditions and beliefs that are of both tangible and intangible heritage values" same
  • Biodiversity is one word; "example of mature karst in sub-tropical wet conditions" same
  • "The Hương Sơn Complex comprises three groups of pagodas, temples, and caves linked with one another by waterways" same

Reywas92Talk 01:56, 9 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your helpful comments. I tried to give the sentences mentioned above a little tweak. Please have a look :D Damian Vo (talk) 13:08, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Reywas92Talk 18:52, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • "the 17th session of the World Heritage Committee held in Colombia in 1993." where is that referenced?
  • "the first and only mixed site in Southeast Asia" source says first but not only, and in any case is 6 years old.
  • "centuries.[9][4]" order.
  • "considered a remarkable construction" by whom?
  • "caves.[15][14]" order.
  • "over 1600" more than.
  • "significant slice of" not encyclopedic in tone, more like a guidebook.
  • "one of the most magnificent limestone" according to whom? Encyclopedia, not guidebook.
  • "passage.[22][21]" order.
  • Sortable tables should link linked items every time, e.g. karst.
  • "established here in" no need for "here".
  • 1438 is 1438bis.
  • "As of 2019" it's 2021, is this still the case?
  • "old carved" old?!
  • "200 old carved stones and megaliths. Stones are carved with different " -> " 200 stones and megaliths, carved with different..."
  • "with lots of" not encyclopedic tone.
  • "The Yến Tử Monuments and Landscapes" I can't see (vii) in the English source and can't read Vietnamese...
  • "geologic" why not geological?
  • "the vii criteria" criterion (vii).
  • satisfies the viii criteria likewise.
  • General: singular of criteria is criterion.
  • Ref 41 has two spaced hyphens, should be en-dashes.

That's enough from me. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 18:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for the review! I just resolved the queries above, please have a look :D Damian Vo (talk) 05:09, 1 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Hi it's been two months since your review :D Let me know if you have any more comments. Damian Vo (talk) 05:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review – Pass edit

Will do soon. Aza24 (talk) 23:10, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting
  • There's quite a few retrieval dates missing
Reliability
  • No issues
Verifiability
  • Checked a few, no issues
  • Since the refs are all archived, the missing retrieval dates aren't pertinent enough to prevent a pass (though I would still recommend adding them). Pass for source review. Aza24 (talk) 23:14, 5 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added missing retrieval dates. Damian Vo (talk) 17:35, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from HAL edit

  • Complex of Huế Monuments As you do later in the list, I would place "the" before it.
  • the sites became tourist destinations and used as a driving force for the development of tourism in Vietnam is a little awkward. I would reword.

That's all I got. ~ HAL333 22:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gave it a little tweak. Thank you for the comments. Damian Vo (talk) 09:37, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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