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List of World Heritage Sites in Italy

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Nominator(s): Tone 07:45, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go! Italy is the country with the highest number of World Heritage Sites, so this article is appropriately massive. The map is a bit busy but I think I managed to keep it readable with some organizing. The list of Romania, which is currently also nominated, is already seeing support. Feel free to fix some minor grammatical issues etc. on the run, so that this discussion does not get excessively long. Thanks! Tone 07:45, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • "Over 300,000 carvings have been created" => "Over 300,000 carvings were created"
  • "Galileo Galilei who was conducting his experiments there" => "Galileo Galilei, who conducted his experiments there"
  • "built between the 11th and the 13th century the noble families and upper middle-class merchants" - think the word "by" is missing
  • "Fourteen of these towers have survived to present day" => "Fourteen of these towers have survived to the present day"
  • "Naples, Founded in 470 BCE by Greek colonists" - founded should not have a capital F
  • "during the Italian Renaissance of the 15th and 16th century" => "during the Italian Renaissance of the 15th and 16th centuries"
  • "They have been constructed at least since the mid-14th century" => "They were constructed from at least the mid-14th century"
  • "that mix motives from Western and Byzantine arts" => "that mix motifs from Western and Byzantine arts"
  • "There are also three islands off coast" => "There are also three islands off the coast"
  • "It played a major role in spreading of Christianity" => "It played a major role in the spreading of Christianity"
  • "The complex includes residential and recreative buildings" => "The complex includes residential and recreational buildings"
  • "originating in Roman times and preserving structures from the 11th century, was renovated in the 15th and 16th century" => "originating in Roman times and preserving structures from the 11th century, was renovated in the 15th and 16th centuries"
  • "Winegrowing and processing area for Piemonte wine took place already at least in the 5th century BC" - I can't figure out this sentence. I think what it's meant to say is "Winegrowing and processing for Piemonte wine took place in this area since at least the 5th century BC"
  • "The frescos are innovative in view of in their way" => "The frescos are innovative in view of their way"
  • "and use new way of perspective" => "and use new ways of perspective"
  • "with constructing villas and gardens on the coasts of lakes and on the islands for the wealthy owners" => "with villas and gardens constructed on the coasts of lakes and on the islands for wealthy owners"
  • "reached its peak between the 6th 4th century BCE" => "reached its peak between the 6th and 4th centuries BCE"
  • "Between the 6th and 11th century" => "Between the 6th and 11th centuries"
  • "Sea floor is covered" => "The sea floor is covered"
  • "indicating that the area was at some poin" => "indicating that the area was at some point"
  • "Technical herigate from different periods" - second word is spelt incorrectly
  • "In Italy, this practice has origin in pre-Roman times and continues in present day" => "In Italy, this practice has origins in pre-Roman times and continues to the present day"
  • " The Lagerstätte around Verona is exceptionally rich with fosils" - last word is missing an S
  • "Fosils include fish and marine mammals" - and again :-)
  • "Studies of fosils have been taking place" - and again again :-)
  • "The design of the theatres was changing through centuries" => "The design of the theatres changed through centuries"
  • That's what I got. Looking forward to visiting two of these sites next week :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:40, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @ChrisTheDude Fixed all, many thanks! And enjoy the trip :) Tone 09:07, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AK

  • Disclaimer: I haven't checked references and will be claiming credit at the Wikicup.
  • Made some edits that were quicker to do than list here and seemed uncontroversial.
  • Could the lead map be shrunk down? At over half the page width, it is far too big.
    • It works better on a bit larger screens (I checked on some different ones). I think this is a compromise, map as small as possible but the items still not overlapping. What can I say, over 50 sites marked, and I don't want to put numbers.
  • "58 inscribed properties" → "58 listed sites"
  • "Albula / Bernina" → Why the gaps before and after the slash?
    • This is the official name in the source, I left it just in the table but removed from the intro.
  • "theatre, or sports centre" → "theatre, and sports centre"?
  • "took place in this area since at least the 5th century BCE" → Should be "has taken place" if it still occurs.
    • It was suggested to use past in the above revision.
  • "extra-European exotic" → non-European exotic"?
  • "monasteries, often in caves" → "monasteries, often situated in caves"
  • All mentions of "x million" years needs a nbsp between the number and "million".
  • The Caserta garden photo needs alt text.
  • That's what I got.
  • Support on the basis of prose. AryKun (talk) 09:44, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TRM

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This is a big list, so I'll probably do it in sections. Unless I get lucky and find half an hour to hit it in one shot! The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 16:29, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments

  • Italy has a total of 58 listed sites -> Italy has 58 listed sites
  • Sites just -> Sites, just
  • A total of 25 -> Twenty-five
  • no comma after specifically (or remove and use a colon)
  • whereas -> and
  • has been developing uninterruptedly -> has developed uninterrupted

Reywas92Talk 02:13, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed these above, I assume more is coming :) Tone 16:11, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley

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  • "Twenty-five Italian sites were added during the 1990s, with 10 sites added at the 21st session held in Naples in 1997." For avoidance of doubt, I would say "including 10 sites"
  • "Italy has served as a member of the World Heritage Committee four times, specifically 1978–1985 (8 years), 1987–1993 (7 years), 1993–1999 (7 years), and 1999–2001 (3 years)." "specifically" is superfluous and you can add 2021-2025.
  • Rock Drawings in Valcamonica. You use two sources which give conflicting numbers and dates e.g. 140,000 carvings according to UNESCO and over 300,000 in the pdf, which is the figure you use. That may be because the pdf paper covers a wider area than the world heritage site and I think it would be better to stick to the citation.
  • medieval should not be capitalized. You sometimes do and sometimes not.
  • "cave dwellings that have been inhabited since the Paleolithic". since the Paleolithic implies continuous occupation. You should say first occupied as in the source.
  • "Crespi d'Adda is a well preserved and partially in use company town". This is clumsy. Maybe "Crespi d'Adda is a well preserved company town with some buildings which are still in use"
  • " It was designed by the architect Luigi Vanvitelli and inspired by palaces in Versailles and Madrid. Inspired by the ideas of the Enlightenment," Repetition of "inspired"
  • Doric should be capitalized.
  • "The villa in Piazza Armerina is one of the most luxurious Roman villas built in the early 4th century, and is a representative example of the economy and social structure of its period. It is richly decorated with mosaics of exceptional quality." This is a bit modest as a description. It is the best villa I have ever seen and the citation says it has the best Roman mosaics anywherer.
  • "Aquileia was one of the wealthiest cities of the Early Roman Empire." I would not capitalize "early".
  • "It played a major role in the spreading of Christianity in the early Middle Ages" This over-generalises. The source says to a large area of central Europe.
  • "It features paintings by Cimabue, Pietro Lorenzetti, Simone Martini, and Giotto, and has been used as a reference point for Italian and Western art." I would delete "used as".
  • More to follow. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:54, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed, thanks! Tone 09:44, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This site comprises two urban developments in Genova". You are inconsistent how you spell Genoa.
  • "Monte San Giorgio, overlooking Lake Lugano, is regarded as the best fossil record of marine life from the Triassic Period (245–230 million years ago). In that period, the area was a tropical lagoon, flourishing with reptiles, fish, bivalves, ammonites, echinoderms, and crustaceans. Fossils of terrestrial animals are also preserved, as the lagoon was near the land." The entry copies clumsy wording in the source. I would change "is regarded as the best fossil record" to "preserves the best fossil record". Also "as the lagoon was near the land" is nonsense. All lagoons are near land by definition. I would delete.
  • "Longobards in Italy. Places of the power (568-774 A.D.)" The cathedral pictured is much newer than 774 AD if I have traced it correctly, so is presumably not covered by the designation.
  • "supports a particular ecosystem with endemic flora and fauna" "particular" tells us nothing - I would delete.
  • "Primeval Beech Forests of the Carpathians are used to study the spread of the beech tree (Fagus sylvatica) in the Northern Hemisphere across a variety of environments and the environment in the forest." This is too vague. Maybe "The primeval beech forests provide an essential resource for understanding the history and evolution of the beech tree (Fagus sylvatica) over the last million years."
  • "The frescos are innovative in view of their way of depicting the allegorical narrative and use new ways of perspective." This is a bit clumsy. Maybe "The frescos are innovative in their way of depicting allegorical narrative and use new techniques of perspective."
  • More to follow. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:25, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Done, thanks! Indeed, looking at the UNESCO source and trying to tell it differently sometimes leads to clumsy wordings. I appreciate you checking. Tone 11:45, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The town was sacked by the Syracuse in 398 BCE". The people are called Syracusans. Maybe "The town was sacked by Syracusans (or the Syracusans) in 398 BCE"
  • "Bradyseism is the gradual uplift or descent of part of the Earth's surface caused by volcanic activity." This is not quite right. How about "Bradyseism is the gradual uplift or descent of land caused by the filling or emptying of underground magma chambers."
  • "hermitages developed into monastic organizations". Maybe "hermitages developed into monasteries".
  • "a man from the Pleistocene period, the Altamura Man". This does not tell us much. See [2] for very interesting information.
  • More to follow. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:36, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed, thanks again! Tone 11:51, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "inhabited in the Paleolithic time". This is vague. Maybe "periodically inhabited in the [[Middle Paleolithic|Middle]] and [[Upper Paleolithic]] periods".
  • "were influential across Italy and Europe". It sounds odd to say Italy and Europe. I would delete "Italy and"
  • "n example of a recent (not-eroded) mountain range transversal to the ocean basin" I would replace "a recent (not-eroded)" with "an uneroded". Also, I do not understand what is meant by "transversal" here.
  • Evaporite karst and caves of Emilia Romagna Region. You might find a suitable image at [3].
  • "Pilgrimages were an important way of cultural exchange". I would prefer "feature" to "way".
  • "fossils from the Eocene epoch. Between 56 and 34 million years ago, the area was part of the Tethys Ocean." This is wrong. 56-34 mya is the Eocene, not when the area was in the Tethys. Dudley Miles (talk) 13:05, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Done! I rewrote some of the above to make more sense. Many thanks for the review! Tone 15:44, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review passed, promoting. --PresN 19:13, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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