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List of The Masked Singer (American TV series) episodes edit

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Nominator(s): Heartfox (talk) 23:07, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it serves as an attractive and informative compilation about the episodes in the American reality singing competition series The Masked Singer. Three seasons have aired thus far on network television (Fox) and I believe it contains valuable and accurate information that is useful to readers. While the series is currently airing (the finale is on May 27, 2020), edits will be made at least weekly until then to add the ratings for each episode. However, I believe the rest of the article is stable (e.g., the ratings section is complete (at this point) in my opinion). This is my first nomination of any kind for good article/featured list/featured article, etc., so I'm hoping this will be an insightful experience. Heartfox (talk) 23:07, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:57, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
;Drive-by comment
  • At just four sentences, the lead is far far too short. I would expect it to be getting on for three times as long as it is at present. It also has no sources -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:18, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have expanded the lead to 11 sentences with sourcing. Heartfox (talk) 17:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • New lead looks great. My only remaining comments are on the refs:
    • I can spot "Fox" being treated as both a work (italicised) and a publisher (not italicised) - be consistent
    • Not sure what the bit in quote marks at the end of ref 12 is/ what it adds
    • Refs 13, 14, 24, 36 have no access date
  • Think that's it. Otherwise all good :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:34, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fixed "Fox" to publisher in ref 11; removed quote in ref 12; added access dates to refs 13, 14, 24, and 36. Heartfox (talk) 18:31, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Update: another editor has removed the access dates from refs 13, 14, 24, and 36 because they "are not required for linked documents that do not change." Not sure how to proceed. Heartfox (talk) 18:59, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • WP:CITEWEB says "the date you retrieved (or accessed) the web page (required if the publication date is unknown)" - I looked at ref 13 and it has no visible publication date, therefore the accessdate is required. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:16, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Tried to also check the Zap2It links, but they don't seem to work......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:22, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • I have removed access dates, except for the two links that will change. Please tell me if I should revert and that access dates should be kept for all even if they aren't necessarily necessary. Zap2it links work for me. Heartfox (talk) 20:24, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
            • When I click on ref 14, I get a blank white screen with a message that says "This site can’t be reached. tvlistings.zap2it.com’s server IP address could not be found".....?? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:46, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
              • Having said that, I clicked on the toolbox link above and all the links shows as white, so heaven knows what is going at my end....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:47, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from User:SNUGGUMS
  • File:The Masked Singer Common Logo.png has an appropriate FUR
  • Is that bar chart for viewership really beneficial? Can't say I remember seeing anything like that in similar episode list pages.
I added the bar chart as I saw that some other featured lists of episodes (Game of Thrones, The Office, Seinfeld, etc.) have them, but I've removed it now as it doesn't really serve a purpose at this point. In my opinion, it's useful for readers to see the changes in viewership over the series' history, but given that there hasn't been much change with The Masked Singer, I agree with you that it's not beneficial at this time.
  • Don't italicize "Costume Designers Guild", "Academy of Television Arts & Sciences", or "Vulture"
Done, but is there a particular reason why Vulture isn't italicized? Heartfox (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's a website without any print edition SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:23, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure how trustworthy "Zap2It" or "Showbuzz Daily" are, but the former also shouldn't have italics regardless
Zap2it is run by the company Nexstar Media Group, so I think it's pretty reliable for episode guides. However, I'm not sure it's necessary given that the episodes cite themselves with the titles and air dates? Heartfox (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Showbuzz Daily is what is being used all over wiki (and in some media) now for TV ratings since TV by the Numbers shut down. It's run by two former network executives. The references are replaced when Nielsen releases DVR ratings with slightly updated viewership, so that's why there's only one of them in this article right now. Heartfox (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Good enough for me. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:23, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • For citation 11 ("Watch The Masked Singer: Season 3, Episode 8 'Old Friends, New Clues: Group C Championships' Online"), I would add an accessdate and/or when the episode aired
Done. Heartfox (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • this is just from Montreal Gazette, so delete the Variety part (citation 56)
Done, but I wasn't sure about this since it's a Variety article being used in the Montreal Gazette. Heartfox (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Everything should be set after that. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 20:14, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SNUGGUMS, thanks for commenting! I think I addressed all of your suggestions. Heartfox (talk) 21:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support page now looks good enough to be FL as far as I'm concerned. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 23:23, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from TRM edit

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 06:51, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The column headings with the space before the reference contravenes MOS, so this can't pass really. And yes, this impacts dozens if not hundreds of FLs, but we need to push back on inadequate coding of templates. I've added a request to fix the relevant template here but I don't see this being solved in short order. Happy to be proved wrong though! The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 07:48, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Are references allowed in the table captions or could they be moved and listed wholly in the references section as a solution? Heartfox (talk) 16:45, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would certainly be a good approach until the template is fixed, good idea. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 16:51, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: I've moved those reference footnotes to a "sources" section... hopefully that's the right format I'm not sure. Is there anything else you think needs fixing/improvement? I just updated the lead a minute ago as the third season has now concluded. Heartfox (talk) 17:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(WikiCup entry)

  • "the South Korean namesake program." instead of this, I would actually name the South Korean show because the name is markedly different.
Changed to King of Mask Singer.
  • It's not 100% clear the elaborate costumes are designed to keep the celebrities from being identified physically.
Added "anonymously" for clarity.
  • Image caption says "The Masked Singer has aired 42 episodes since 2019, including 2 specials and 1 Super Bowl lead-out program." but I count 40 regular episodes, 2 specials and 4 "other" specials in the tables.
Changed to "40 regular episodes and 2 specials since 2019". Not sure if that's the best wording, though.
  • "while Fox Alternative Entertainment has done so since the second" awkward wording.
Removed sentence.
  • I'm confused by the exec producer "since" thing, are we saying the third series has four exec producers?
Yes, the third season has four executive producers. Added "also" for clarity.
  • "both TV seasons" what are these "TV seasons"? and do you mean "television"?
Wikilinked TV season. Per MOS:ACRO, I believe "TV" is okay for use in this article in the ways it is.
  • The row scope should really be the episode titles, not the overall number in the series.
While I appreciate that it might make more sense, I have no control over the situation. I can put in an edit request if you like (nothing seems to have come of the one you added, and you seem to be an editor of higher stature than me), but I hope this isn't a dealbreaker. Based on the table, it seems the current consensus is for the scope to be for the episode numbers. There is a scope present, so I hope it's okay to leave it the way it is for the time being.
  • I don't understand "rating/share" values, what does 3.0/12 mean?
I have determined, after considering wikilinking and adding a footnote (both of which render as blue, causing access concerns), that a brief glossary is best in this situation. I have also added a reference for the defintions.
  • " the 2018–19 TV season as" same, as above, and this is only the United States television season.
Added "United States".
  • Ref 8 is showing as an error.
Fixed.

That's all I have. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:53, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will be addressing these comments momentarily. Heartfox (talk) 20:58, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Thank you for commenting and highlighting things from a non-North American perspective. I hope I've ameliorated your concerns. Heartfox (talk) 07:05, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: Is there anything else you feel needs to be addressed? Thanks for your time and suggestions. Heartfox (talk) 03:45, 12 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Guerillero edit

  • Per MOS Image you really should use thumb to add a caption to the logo. The alt text also needs some work --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 19:38, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Guerillero: Thanks for your comments. I've changed the alt text to hopefully be more descriptive. Is it okay to leave the image as "frameless", though? I don't know what I would be explaining with a caption. Title cards of TV series in infoboxes don't use captions. Heartfox (talk) 15:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Captions is pretty clear on the need for a caption. In a info box there is still a caption of sorts --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 17:19, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Guerillero: I've added a caption, taking inspiration from the first note in WP:CAPOBVIOUS. Do you think it works? Heartfox (talk) 22:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - Pass edit

Doing now Aza24 (talk) 01:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Got nothing, consistent dates, authors, publishers and publisher links. Everything is reliable, easy pass for source review – good work here. Aza24 (talk) 01:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Shearonink edit

Have read through the List a number of times, will read through several more times before possible support. Shearonink (talk) 17:46, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. The structure and style are both especially well-done and the List is nicely laid-out. A little thing perhaps but I really like the color-coding of the table headers (I guess that would go under Criteria 5a?) - visually appealing and clearly delineates the different seasons. Shearonink (talk) 06:20, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your kind comments, Shearonink. Sorry I didn't notice them earlier! Heartfox (talk) 17:53, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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