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List of The Mandalorian characters

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Nominator(s): — Hunter Kahn 00:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a comprehensive list of all the characters from the Star Wars television series The Mandalorian. It is my hope that it will eventually be the anchor of a good topic on this subject. I believe it meets all of the FL criteria. I modeled it in part after the excellent List of Alien (film series) characters (and I'd like to give a shout-out to DarthBotto for his work on that one). Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 00:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments on the lead
  • The first sentence is a bit "sea of blue". I suggest at least moving "Star Wars" after "series" as "set in the Star Wars universe" or similar
    • I moved Star Wars as you suggested. The "American space Western web television series" wording is what's used on the official The Mandalorian page so I used it for consistency, but I could change that wording too if you like. — Hunter Kahn 12:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Semi-colon after Mandalorian in the second sentence should be a comma
    • Per WP:SEMICOLON I used the semicolon because that list sentence has several clauses separated by commas, so I thought the semicolon brought a bit more clarity to the separation of the two items. But I don't feel strongly so I replaced it with the semicolon. — Hunter Kahn 12:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Several supporting characters have appeared in at least three episodes of the first season" - I am presuming the season has finished, so this should be "Several supporting characters appeared in at least three episodes of the first season"
  • "A handful of guest characters make appearances" => "A handful of guest characters made appearances" (to match the tense of the sentence in my point above)
  • Inconsistent use of capital/lower case T on character names that start with the word "The"
    • Throughout the article with characters like this (The Mandalorian, the Child, the Armorer, the Client) I use a lower-case T for "the" except on the first reference, in which I use the capital T. But again, I don't feel strongly, so if you'd rather me lower-case the first references too, I could. — Hunter Kahn 12:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Back for more later -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments on main characters
  • ""The Mandalorian", sometimes addressed as Mando, is a sobriquet " - I would change "addressed" to something like "shortened" or "abbreviated", because it isn't the sobriquet that is addressed.
  • "The Mandalorian was [...] rescued [...] by the Mandalorians [...] prior to the events of The Mandalorian" - can this be reworded in such a way that you aren't saying "the Mandalorian(s)" three times in such quick successio? Maybe change the last one to "the first episode"? And/or change the first one to Djarin?
    • This has been a constant challenge when writing about this show. LOL I basically changed it to "He was [...] rescues by the Mandalorains [...] prior to the events of the series". — Hunter Kahn 15:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "many comparions" - typo
  • "and the Eastwood's" - don't think that "the" is needed
    • Oops, quite right. Removed that. — Hunter Kahn 15:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Mandalorian and Pascal's performance has been well received" - plural subject, so it should be "have". Also, in this context what does "The Mandalorian" refer to? The character himself rather than the show? In that case I would say "The character of The Mandalorian" or even just "The character" to avoid confusion.
    • Added "character" per your suggestions, and changed it to "have". — Hunter Kahn 15:14, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's it for that section -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:38, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments on recurring characters
  • "Greef Karga is portrayed by Carl Weathers, who" => "Greef Karga is portrayed by Carl Weathers, whom"
  • "through the Mandalorian does not initially trust him" - typo
  • "based on their mutual work together" - think you just need to say "their work together"
  • "Bryce Dallas Howard, who directed the character's first appearance on" => "Bryce Dallas Howard, who directed the character's first appearance in"
  • "Carano has been received positively by reviewers and fans" - all of this sentence surely refers to the character, not the actor? So it should say "Cara has been received positively by reviewers and fans"
  • "it is revealed Gideon possesses" => "it is revealed that Gideon possesses"
  • Think that's it for that section -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:05, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments on guest characters
  • "Strong and physically imposing,[163][164][165] he is a heavy infantry fighter," - sentence seems to end with a comma
  • "When the villager hires the Mandalorian and Cara Dune to protect them" - should that be "the villagers hire" (plural)? If not, who are the "them"?
  • Some characters who are dead are described in a mix of the past and present tense eg "Riot Mar was [..] Riot pilots a starfighter and attacks the Mandalorian's ship, but is killed [...] Riot Mar is portrayed by Rio Hackford". Better to just use present tense throughout, I think
  • "some critics have speculated the character could still be alive" => "some critics have speculated that the character could still be alive"
  • "several critics noted that Mayfeld's sardonic personality and hard-edged sense of humor is" => "several critics noted that Mayfeld's sardonic personality and hard-edged sense of humor are"
  • "Despites efforts by the Mandalorian to save him" - typo on the first word
  • I think you could probably combine the descriptions of Wolf, Dodger and Ketter into one, given that they are substantially identical
  • Several characters' entries mention Qin, but as his own listing comes much further down there is no context as to who he is. This could be rectified by amending Malk's listing to "He develops a plan for his crew to infiltrate a New Republic prison ship and rescue Qin, an imprisoned Twi'lek"
  • Think that's it for that section -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:12, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've made the changes you suggested, and made tense fixes for other deceased characters besides Riot Mar based on your feedback, such as Davan. I had mixed feelings about combining the Wolf, Dodger and Ketter entries into one, but I certainly see the logic in it and have made the change. Thanks for your thorough copy edit, ChrisTheDude! — Hunter Kahn 13:41, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments on the notes
  • "she appreciated that the character took a leadership role in the village and during the fighting scenes, and that she was not resorted to a background" - "resorted" doesn't seem like the right word here - maybe "reduced"?
  • "Kathryn VanArendonk, also of Vulture, wrote that had" - think there's a word missing there
  • "Keith Phipps, also of Vulture, said Peli was an multifacted character" => "a multifaceted"
  • "while simultaneously appearing shrewd vaguely threaning" - "threaning" is not a word, not sure what it is meant to be
  • "Peli Motto was included Vulture's list" - missing word
  • "Elite Daily writer Ani Bundel felt the character was worth of her own spin-off series" => worthy
  • "Matt Webb Mitovich of TVLine disliked the character, who he described" => whom he described
  • "Joseph Stanichar of The Post praise the energy" => praised
  • " Thrillist writer Dave Gonzales said Córdova did a great job portraying Qin, and "manage(d) to not make the head tenticles look too stupid"" - that's not how you spell "tentacles", but then it's a direct quote, so it might be that the source spelt it wrong, in which case you should add a {{sic}} template.
  • The only thing that jumps out from the refs is that in ref 152 the italicisation seems to have gone awry
  • All the best -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Made c couple of little tweaks, now happy to support - thanks for bearing with me while I went through this bit by bit :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:36, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A well done article, but I think it would be further improved if you added links in the image captions. ~ HAL333 04:41, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:38, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments some top-level stuff.

(WikiCup entry)

  • General query: do we expect a load more characters to be added to this in October when season 2 is released? Are we getting close to this becoming unmanageably large?
    • We can certainly expect new characters to be introduced in the show, though obviously per WP:CRYSTAL I have no idea how many or few there will be. I would suspect the list won't become unmanageably large though, it would just be a matter of adding characters and maintaining the list like has already been done. Many of the characters in season two will be others who have already been introduced in season one, meaning they won't have to be added again, so that will be helpful. And if the news coverage is any indication, some of the newly-added characters may be existing characters from the franchise (Ashoka Tano, Boba Fett, etc.) so the entry here would be relatively brief and then linking to their main articles... — Hunter Kahn
  • Similar to one of the GANs I reviewed, I don't think we should specify the child as "extra-terrestrial" as most (if not all) Star Wars characters are in that bracket.
  • Clone Wars (Star Wars) is overlinked.
  • "The following is a list of.." never keen on that, maybe "Several recurring characters have been featured in The Mandolorian...."
    • Went with your suggested wording. — Hunter Kahn 20:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm getting that sense of WP:CITEKILL again here, that you're using usually two if not three refs per sentence, is it all necessary?
    • I'm not sure where you mean? — Hunter Kahn 20:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Look at the section on Greef: from "Greef provides the ..." you have 3 refs for that single sentence, then 3 refs for the next sentence, then 6 refs for the following sentence, 3 for each major clause. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:17, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Ah, apologies The Rambling Man, I misread the name of the policy you cited and thought you were talking about wikilinks, not citation tags. My mistake. As for this, I've limited myself to no more than three citations per any given clause, which I personally didn't think was too much (per WP:CITEKILL: "...more than three should generally be avoided"). But if you think this is an issue, do you want me to go through the article and remove citation tags in instances where I use three? Or do you want me to just remove them from specific individual sentences where you think three tags is inappropriate? — Hunter Kahn 21:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
          • It's not like three is some kind of magic number for me, I'm just curious as to why we'd need three citations for a single sentence when in most circumstances, one would usually contain all the required verification detail. If you're saying all three citations are required every time to substantiate each sentence, that's just fine. If fewer would still verify the claims, then fewer is better from a readability perspective. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 22:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
            • Ok, I'll go through and remove some citation tags... — Hunter Kahn 14:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No main article for Dr. Pershing? He's the only one...
    • There wasn't really enough about him to warrant a standalone article, so I kept it limited to his entry here. In most cases I started a standalone article if there was enough real-world information about the character (filming, portrayal, reception, etc.) that went beyond mere plot summary, and Pershing was one of the few where there really wasn't... — Hunter Kahn 20:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Similar note above re "The following is a list" for the guest appearances too.
    • Reworded this similarly to your suggested wording above. — Hunter Kahn 20:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "make-up was done by make-up" repetitive.

The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 13:09, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks for the feedback, The Rambling Man! — Hunter Kahn 20:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Rambling Man, I know I still have one outstanding issue to address here, just wanted to let you know that personal circumstances have kept me off Wikipedia recently, but I expect to resolve it in the next day or two. Apologies for the delay! — Hunter Kahn 11:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • Absolutely no need to apologise. Whenever you're ready. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 11:39, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • Apologies again for the delay, but wanted to note I am working on this as we speak and hope to have the noted concerns addressed today. Apologies for the delayed response again The Rambling Man and thank you for your patience. Personal circumstances kept me off Wikipedia much longer than I expected. But I've combed through the article and made some changes that removed all instances of three or more citation tags, in response to the WP:CITEKILL issues you (quite rightfully) raised. I think this should resolve that issue now, but if you'd like any further changes, please let me know. — Hunter Kahn 20:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harrias

Right, I missed all the individual articles at GA, as I hadn't finished watching the series, so I'm looking forward to looking this over. I will claim WikiCup points for the review.

  • In the lead, why is "The Mandalorian" and "The Child" in quotation marks, as so, but The Armorer and The Client aren't? In fact, this is pretty inconsistent throughout the whole article.
    • I used quotations like this whenever the character was being introduced for the first time in a lead or character entry, but did not use quotation marks on second references. I felt this worked, but if you disagree I'm happy to remove the quotation marks, just let me know. — Hunter Kahn 20:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "..with stunt actors Brendan Wayne and Lateef Crowder performing.." Avoid noun plus -ing.
  • "The droid later join the Mandalorian.." Should be "joins".
  • "..with some critics calling.." Noun plus -ing again.
  • Refs #78 and #137, International Business Times is generally considered an unreliable source.
    • Removed. Fortunately, it was only used to cite information that already had other sources cited, so no substantial changes were needed after its removal. — Hunter Kahn 20:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref #202, Jezebel is generally considered an unreliable source.
    • Removed, which only required the removal of a single sentence that didn't have a major impact on the article. — Hunter Kahn 20:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Overall, a very nice piece of work. I concur with TRM that it suffers from citation overkill, and could do with some trimming away, but other than that and the minor points I have raised, it looks really good. Harrias talk 10:48, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks Harrias, and apologies for how late I am in responding to you. As I said above, personal circumstances kept me off of Wikipedia, but I should be available now for any follow-up comments if you have them. Thank you! — Hunter Kahn 20:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support All my concerns have been resolved. Really nice work. Hope everything is okay off-wiki. Harrias talk 08:08, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: Each of the standalone Mandalorian character articles have now passes the GAN process, so when and if this list article passed FLC, I plan to take it immediately to WP:GT. Thanks all! — Hunter Kahn 20:59, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
*Source review – There are a couple of formatting glitches in the list of citations that could use fixing. First, ref 60 looks to have some faulty piping in the listed publisher. Second, ref 144 has some weird italics; the publisher (Vanity Fair) doesn't have them, but the title and access date have them for some reason. The source reliability mostly looks fine, but is it possible to find something stronger than a tweet for ref 143? That's a weak primary source, and I wouldn't be surprised if some notable publication mentioned this for such a prominent series. Other than these issues, the sourcing is okay, although I suggest looking at the link-checker tool, which is flagging several links as being possible dead. Any that are dead should be archived or replaced, although the one orange link I tested (the Newsweek one) seemed to be in working order. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you Giants2008. I've made changes in response to your review, fixing the errors with refs 60 and 144. I couldn't find a secondary source to replace 143, so I simply removed that sentence and source from the article; it wasn't a particularly important fact. I also went through each of the flagged links (as well as some others) from the link-checker tool and found all of them were working except one from Geek.com, which was formerly ref 257. I removed that source from the article, which was only used in a few spots to reinforce information already cited by other sources. Let me know if you have anything else. Thanks for the source review! — Hunter Kahn 18:36, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • All of the issues I pointed out appear to have been resolved. I'd say the source review has been passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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