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The list was promoted by User:Matthewedwards 18:59, 15 November 2008 [1].

List of Tennessee Titans head coaches

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This is my third list for the FLC Contest. Gary King (talk) 18:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved review from SRX
Review by SRX (talk · contribs)
Prose
  • For two seasons, the team was known as the Tennessee Oilers before changing its name to Titans in 1999. - Wouldn't it be correct to say the Titans?
  • California-native Jeff Fisher is the current head coach of the Titans, and is the 15th person to serve in the position. - What's so notable of him being from California?
  • The team's winningest coach is Lou Rymkus with a win percentage of .611. - is Winningest a dictionary word? (I am using Firefox, which has a spelling corrections and "winningest" isn't one of them.) + It would be better stated as The team's winningest coach is Lou Rymkus, who has a win percentage of .611.
  • Bill Peterson is the team's least winningest coach with a win percentage of .053. - Check that word.
  • Rymkus and Wally Lemm have both won the UPI NFL Coach of the Year award - hmm, since Lemm won that award, he must have done something notable, can it be mentioned?
Notes
  • The Titans were known as the Tennessee Oilers from 1997 to 1998 before being renamed to the Tennessee Titans. - Source?
References
  • Is pro-football reference a reliable source? Just wondering as I have never seen it used before, is it like the Baseball-reference?--SRX 21:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Winningest. The reference is the same company as Baseball-reference. Gary King (talk) 22:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All my comments were resolved minus the one about Lemm.--SRX 22:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done Gary King (talk) 23:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - My review was addressed to satisfy WP:WIAFL.--SRX 23:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments by NatureBoyMD

Review by NatureBoyMD (talk · contribs)

  • In the key, there are spaces around the en dash, but in the heading of the actual list they are unspaced.
  • What type of source is current reference #4 ("Woody Paige" (2005-04-11).)? Is it a book, newspaper, magazine, etc? It needs to be properly formatted like the others.
  • I wouldn't object to supporting the article over this, but it might be more aesthetically pleasing if you used {{note label}} and {{ref label}} for the footnote. You can see how this is used in another FLC: List of Indianapolis Colts head coaches. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 23:26, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • One more thing: The year links for Lou Rymkus and Jeff Fisher don't match the text. I.e., it says 1961, but links to 1962; Fisher's says 1994, but links to 1997. -NatureBoyMD (talk) 23:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All done Gary King (talk) 01:04, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just one last thing concerning Jeff Fisher's record... Since his record with Oilers is separate from his Titans record, should his second entry read 1997-present? -NatureBoyMD (talk) 04:35, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah good point – changed. Gary King (talk) 16:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments - sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:44, 5 November 2008 (UTC) [reply]
Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "It is a member"-->They are a member... or The team is a member...
  • "AFL-NFL Merger" "Merger" should not be capitalized.
  • "Previously known as the Houston Oilers" This phrase is repeteated twice in the same paragraph.
  • "Rhymkus"—Typo.
  • "Bill Peterson is the team's least winningest coach, who has a win percentage of .053."-->Bill Peterson, the team's least winningest coach, has a win percentage of .053.
  • In the key: "Loses"-->Losses; "Games Coached"-->Games coached, only capitalize first word.
  • "In 1961, after Rymkus left the Oilers, Wally Lemm briefly coached the team and led it to nine straight victories."-->In 1961, after Rymkus left the Oilers, Wally Lemm led the to nine straight victories during his brief tenure. Or something like that.
  • UPI NFL Coach of the Year is overlinked in the table.
  • Pro-football-reference.com is not the publisher, it is the work. Sports Reference LLC is the publisher.
  • "The Tennessee Titans are a professional American football team based in Nashville, Tennessee. It is a member of the South Division of the American Football Conference (AFC) in the National Football League (NFL)." Move these sentences to the beginning of the lead. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
All done. The "it" refers to the organization, not the individuals in it. "Wally Lemm briefly coached the team and led it to nine straight victories." seems fine to me; it's straightforward, and only uses an "and" to link the two ideas together, so it's not forming any conclusions. Gary King (talk) 21:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of completely removing "Pro-football-reference.com.", why don't you just reinsert it under the work= field? Also, ref 3 needs a publication date. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:38, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done Gary King (talk) 21:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Is there any chance you could change one of the colours (background or text) for the "Houston Oilers" row in the table. For me, in both IE and Firefox the red on blue is very difficult to read. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 22:37, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Gary King (talk) 22:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Killervogel5
Comments from Killervogel5
  • In the key, "Loses"→"Losses"
  • In the key, you refer to an en-dash as meaning returning to coach, yet it is also used to mean a zero or n/a in the playoffs. First of all, em-dashes are more appropriately used for both of these features in the list, and second, the best thing to do would be to follow the example at List of Philadelphia Phillies managers, etc., wherein that notation is in a note at the end of the list.
  • In the key, Win – Loss does not need to be spaced; en-dashes are used to indicate disjunction but spaced en-dashes serve the same function as em-dashes, which is inappropriate for that usage.
  • Sports Reference in the references should be Sports Reference LLC.

Hope this helps. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All done Gary King (talk) 01:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wow, fast worker. The only other think I can see is that it should be win-loss % in the key, not win-lose. The second comment wasn't addressed completely yet. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 01:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I've converted them to em dashes. Gary King (talk) 04:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good job. I would still like to see a note in the "Notes" section referring to the fact that no coach is counted more than once, as was formerly in the key. I was going to insert it myself but I don't understand the syntax you are using for the Notes section. Otherwise, I support. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done Gary King (talk) 16:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment refs 4 and 20 must have an author name or publishing location in it. Since those publications are really unknown, please add a bit more info to them. Nergaal (talk) 06:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They're both based in Hartford, per the name. Both publications didn't come with an author. I've linked the publishers for those interested in knowing more about them. Gary King (talk) 14:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose
  • "Fisher served as the Los Angeles Rams defensive coordinator for one season and the defensive backs coach for the San Francisco 49ers before he joined the Titans in 1994, when the team was called the Houston Oilers." - needs reference.
  • "Fisher has the longest tenure as head coach with one team among active head coaches in the NFL." - I reference does not reference to this sentence.
  • "Sid Gillman, who coached the Oilers from 1973 to 1974, was the team's only Hall of Fame football coach." - the reference for this sentence does not exactly say that he was the team's only Hall of Fame inductee. Also, I would suggest you write it like this (don't copy exactly until you see that it does not need copy-editing):"Sid Gillman, who coach the Oilers from 1973 to 1974, was the team's only coach to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame."
  • "...win percentage..." - I'm for sure it's winning percentage.
  • "Rymkus and Lemm have both..." --> "Rymkus and Lemm, with Gillman, have all"
  • align center the #s.
  • I suggest you change "Awards" to "Achievements", and put the championships with it. An example would be like in this article: List of Denver Broncos head coaches.
  • Can you reference the Awards section, since the references for the players do not include the awards.

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 02:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All done Gary King (talk) 03:14, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you read my talk page templates, I told you that letting me know that my comments are done are unnesscessary. I Support this nomination. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:48, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
More comments
  • "The Oilers won two AFL championships before joining the NFL as part of the AFL-NFL merger." - The table only has one.
  • Just a suggestion, but could you link all the year to the NFL season by using Template:NFL Year. That'll be great.

-- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 03:52, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I don't want to link lone years. Gary King (talk) 04:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't get what you mean, and why not. You linked the years on the table, so you could maybe link the years in the prose. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 06:09, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Because they don't make it clear what they link to. It's the visual message that it sends, in that the reader won't know where it leads to. If, say, the text I linked was "the 2000 NFL season", however, then that would make sense, but not "And then he coached the team in 2000". Gary King (talk) 15:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the List of (team) head coaches do link their years, but it was just a suggestion, as it is not nesscessary. I Support this nomination. -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24[c] 21:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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