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List of Rugby World Cup finals edit

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Nominator(s): NapHit (talk) 16:42, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because after a complete overhaul I now feel this list meets the criteria. I currently have another nomination, but it has two supports and no outstanding comments. As always, comments to be dealt with as expediently as possible. Cheers NapHit (talk) 16:42, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from Parutakupiu

Hi NapHit, I already reviewed the page's prose and made some changes that I feel improved its flow and clarity. Also wikilinked some rugby-specific terms that may not be immediately familiar to readers. Regarding other points, here are my comments:

  • There's a word missing in "Despite constant from the French for the remainder of the final..." that I could not guess which was during my copyediting. I leave this for you to fill.
  • Ref. 7 does not support the 1995 final summary.
  • Renaming suggestions:
    • "Results" (section title) → "Finals"
    • "Key to the list of finals" → "Key to colors and symbols"
    • "List of finals matches, their venues and locations, the finalists and final scores" → "List of final matches, and respective venues, finalists and scores"
  • (Optional) Maybe move the footnotes content to just below the finals table? It's only two of them, seems little to have a section of its own.

— Parutakupiu (talk) 21:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments @Parutakupiu:, all been addressed. Regarding the key one, I simply changed it to key, don't think anymore is needed, as it's plainly obvious. NapHit (talk) 23:48, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
One more thing: maybe you could mention the unfortunate (well, not using this adjective) fact of France losing all three finals in which it participated? Parutakupiu (talk) 00:00, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Added @Parutakupiu:. Thanks again. NapHit (talk) 00:19, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Good work, NapHit! Parutakupiu (talk) 00:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Really good article, lots of information as well as the list itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:29, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley

  • I found the second paragraph a bit confusing, saying that from 2015 extra time is played when there is a draw after 80 minutes, and then going back to earlier games with extra time. Maybe give the earlier games first and then the 2015 rules.
    • The wording might not be the best, as these have always been the rules. The 'As of 2015' bit is so it is up to date, so to speak, for the reader. Removing this bit might make it a bit clearer and less confusing perhaps. NapHit (talk) 22:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A try by Pierre Berbizier in the final minutes, which was converted by Camberabero, settled New Zealand's victory in the tournament's inaugural final at 29–9." "settled" seems an odd word in this context - maybe "gave a slightly more respectable score of..."
  • A first rate article. These points are minor. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:20, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for the comments {[ping|Dudley Miles}}, both comments have been addressed. NapHit (talk) 22:32, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. However, I would remove "As of the 2015 tournament" as it is misleading. If it is needed for the rules, why not elsewhere, such as every sentence in the third paragraph? Dudley Miles (talk) 23:27, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

;Comments from FrB.TG

  • "They also won the most recent final, hosted in London in 2015" – according to WP:PRECISELANG, you should avoid terms such as "recent". I would probably rephrase it as "They also won the 2015 final, hosted in London."
  • "The next Rugby World Cup will be hosted in Japan" – I think you also need to mention the year of final.
  • Ref 1 – "Corporate designations such as "Ltd", "Inc" or "GmbH" are not usually included. Omit where the publisher's name is substantially the same as the name of the work." I think you should get rid of Guardian Media Group.
  • Ref 8 and 16 – ditto: Independent Print Limited and Guardian Media Group, respectively.
  • I think wiki-linking the publishers of references on their first occurrences can help the readers with finding about them. (Sure that's a personal opinion which is why I "thought" it might benefit linking them)
    • I think is more personal choice than anything else. Some editors link the publishers others don't. There isn't a guideline about this, so I'm inclined to leave it the way it is. There's no benefit either way really. NapHit (talk) 23:55, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

-- Frankie talk 22:49, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments @FrB.TG:, I've addressed them all. NapHit (talk) 23:55, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – meets FL criteria, good job! -- Frankie talk 14:40, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 22:52, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Per all the Boat Race articles I worked on, best to avoid easter egg links to years so where you have "in 1995, " with 1995 linked, better to say "in the 1995 final" or similar.
  • Worth noting that "back in the day" a try was worth just four points, hence the 9–0 lead which these days would be 10–0 in the 1987 final.
  • "England scored a try in the first minutes of the second half, but Mark Cueto was adjudged to be in touch before scoring and the try was not given" so the first statement isn't true, they didn't score. They had a try disallowed.
  • Possible mention of Mandela's award of the trophy?
  • Final score column doesn't sort properly.
  • "Results by nation" England runners up twice, not once.

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments @The Rambling Man:, they should have all been taken care of. Cheers. NapHit (talk) 22:39, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a very nice piece of work. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:52, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The table may be succinct, but the overall article is certainly worthwhile as a FL and will give the expansion of the table following further finals a good starting point. Miyagawa (talk) 10:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source review: All good, as far as I can see. Formatting is as per MoS; the sources used are reliable; all links to external sites are working; spot checks show the information is correct and that there is no plagiarism or close copying. - SchroCat (talk) 08:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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