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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Giants2008 via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 20 July 2020 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Roman Catholic archbishops of Quebec edit

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Nominator(s): Bloom6132 (talk) 23:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because I feel its structure and formatting mirrors the other lists I have successfully nominated to FL (e.g. bishops of Hong Kong, archbishops of Vancouver and Toronto), and it now meets all 6 FL criteria. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:54, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - I tried really hard to find anything to pick you up on but failed utterly :-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A really solid article. The only thing I noticed, and this is quite a stretch, is that you linked "cardinal" in one of the captions, but you didn't link any other positions in any other captions. ~ HAL333 01:36, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @HAL333: Thanks for pointing that out. I've un-linked it now for consistency's sake. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @HAL333: It'd be Archiepiscopus Quebecensis, but it's not in widespread use nowadays (the results on Google Books all date to documents issued before the 1960s). And it messes up the infobox (I tried it with this edit) because I think the Latin parameter is only intended for articles on arch/dioceses (and not arch/bishops). —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Harrias edit

  • The lead image could do with a caption, just to clarify that it is of Lacroix.
  • Both images in the infobox need alt text.
  • According to Laval's DCB bio (ref 6), "When his resignation had been accepted, Bishop Laval agreed to remain bishop of Quebec until the consecration of his successor, Abbé Saint-Vallier". That occurred on January 25, 1688 (the day after Laval's resignation became official). I've added a footnote (like the ones below) to clarify the situation – hope that works. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you add the footnote to de Laval's resignation date, and make what is in that quote clear: that he agreed to stay on after his resignation? The current footnote that was added, "Saint-Vallier received episcopal consecration on January 25, 1688." wouldn't help me if you hadn't explained it. Harrias talk 08:12, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Harrias: Added. Would you like me to remove the other footnote on Saint-Vallier's date of consecration? —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you feel it is superfluous, feel free to remove it, but I'm happy with both coexisting. Harrias talk 11:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's it from me on the prose and the table. As those above have said, a very well put together article. I will claim WikiCup points for this review, and would appreciate it if you would consider reviewing List of winners of the Boston Marathon (FLC). Harrias talk 14:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Harrias: thanks for the comments! I hope they've been addressed satisfactorily. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, all my concerns have been resolved. Nice work. Harrias talk 11:05, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 17:09, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • Is there a good reason for the shouty ARCHBISHOPRIC and CATHOLIC in the infobox?
  • Not really. But then, that's the default setting for the "Infobox diocese" template. And since it's permanently template-protected and I'm not an admin, I'm unable to do anything about it. —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Primate of Canada has its own page (probably therefore shouldn't be bold here) but which of those Primates?
  • Removed bolding. Should I put that title in quote marks instead? —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've got a radical suggestion. Merge the three tables so the sorting is really valid. You use row span first column for the title instead of using section headings and subdividing the entries.
  • @The Rambling Man: Sorry, I still haven't warmed to that suggestion. I feel readers could get confused as to why there are consecutive rows for Laval and Plessis. Normally with a single table, it would be one row for one ordinary. That's the way I initially formatted these tables, but I believe the split table format (introduced by another editor) conveys the information clearer and more concisely. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:10, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Forgive my ignorance, please, but the post-nominals aren't obvious to me, consider a key. Where I live, MEP means Member of the European Parliament for instance...
  • Added all post-nominal abbreviations to the key. —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also helps when not all (e.g. RSV) have no article to link to.
  • "present" messes up the sorting of the Until column.
  • There are several chronological gaps in the table (e.g. it appears no-one held this position between 1801 and 1805), I would have thought that worthy of note.
  • According to the table, Pierre Denaut was bishop from 1797 to 1806, and was succeeded immediately by Joseph-Octave Plessis (his coadjutor). The only chronological gap I see is between 1760 and 1766. And that's been explained (albeit indirectly) by the note re the conquest of New France by the British. —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have. This is a WikiCup review by the way. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 12:26, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: thanks for the feedback! I hope they've been addressed satisfactorily. —Bloom6132 (talk) 13:27, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Giants2008 and PresN: if you are of the opinion that this nom is close to passing, could I please trouble one of you to give this a dedicated source review? Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:46, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Source review – All of the references used in the article appear reliable and well-formatted, and the link-checker tool shows no dead links. My source review has been passed. Giants2008 (Talk) 21:21, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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