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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man via FACBot (talk) 00:31, 20 April 2018 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of Raven Software games edit

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Nominator(s): PresN 22:00, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing my meandering walk through the catalogs of 1990s video game developers, I've now come to Raven Software; like the previous two companies, Raven's 25-year journey has a notable arc. Starting off as a small computer RPG developer, they were quick to jump on the FPS bandwagon after id Software, briefly their neighbors in Madison, Wisconsin, basically invented the genre. After selling themselves off to Activision, Raven started to hit the big time with major licenses like Star Wars and the X-Men... only to completely fall to pieces after two games in a row were commercial failures in 2009-10. In the 8 years since, they've been a developer on 10 Call of Duty games... which is worse than it sounds, as that series has 3 developers who get their names on the box, none of which are Raven. They continue to exist, but are pretty much just Activision's "helper" team at this point rather than a developer of their own. In any case, I've created this list and documented their catalog here in the same style as other video game company FLs I've done, and I think it's ready to go. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 22:00, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Jmnbqb (talk) 21:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
;Comments from Jmnbqb
  • Can you add the year to Black Crypt in the lead? All other games have a year following the game.
  • Years added to this and all others in the lead.
  • I would prefer "id" be referred to as "id Software" in the lead. The wiki page id Software doesn't introduce "id" as being a common name for the company, or if you want to use just "id" at least introducing that as a common nickname in the lead.
  • Done
  • Date range in lead needs to be full dates per MOS:DATERANGE. Also, the dash should be an endash instead of an emdash.
Done
  • I think the lead needs more references.
  • What needs a reference? Paragraph 1 is all cited to reference 1, and all the parts of paragraph 2 that are not referenced are descriptions/summaries of parts of the table
  • Some of the statements that popped out to me that possibly need a reference are "...the company formed a relationship with id Software, which was briefly located on the same street." and "In 1997, Raven made an exclusive publishing deal with Activision, and the Raffel brothers subsequently sold the company to Activision." and I wasn't sure if those statements were backed up in Ref 1
  • In the second paragraph, there's games with no dates.
  • Done
  • In the second paragraph, I think the tense needs to change in "Following the layoffs, Raven has been focused..." from "has been focused" to "focused". Also apply the tense for later sentences in the paragraph.
  • Done.
  • Under "X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse", "Mobile" shouldn't be capitalized (or you can rearrange for Mobile phones to be the first system in the line)
  • Done
  • Should Reference 5 cite "Kushner pp. 118–121" instead of "Masters of Doom, pp. 118–121"? Also apply for other similar references.
  • That's the Harvard style, which I don't feel obliged to follow, but since there's only one book source here I've just changed it anyway.

Overall good job! Jmnbqb (talk) 15:13, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmnbqb: Thanks! Replied inline. --PresN 21:04, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Nice job! Jmnbqb (talk) 21:12, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I made two very minor tweaks but couldn't find anything of note to report here. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Courcelles (talk) 00:16, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
*Not seeing a source for the "based in Middleton, WI" clause
  • I've reconsidered being so exact, so changed to Madison, Wisconsin, which is in the source for that paragraph (Middleton is a suburb of Madison, and even Raven's own website just says that they're in Madison.
  • "Epic Games has worked on over 50 games since 1991, and has multiple games under development." This has relevance why?

Courcelles (talk) 22:46, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Courcelles: Responded. Thanks for reviewing! --PresN 23:21, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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