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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Scorpion0422 15:14, 28 February 2009 [1].

List of Philadelphia Phillies first-round draft picks edit

Nominator(s): KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on!
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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it meets all of the FL criteria. It is fully referenced and meets the qualifications as laid out in WP:WIAFL. Questions will, of course, be addressed by the nominator. Cheers. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 03:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Truco

Comments from Truco (talk · contribs)

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  • Since the institution of Major League Baseball's Rule 4 draft, the Phillies have selected 45 players in its first round. -- According to the MLB Draft article, 'Draft' is capitalized in Rule 4 Draft.
  • Since the 'Draft' is a proper noun, it should be capitalized when referring to it, like 'The Draft'.
  • To the two above, "The Draft" itself is not a proper noun, but is now capitalized when using its full title. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 02:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, but in the usage of "The Draft" needs to be capitalized because its referring to the proper noun. If it were in the April draft, then it needs to be in lower case.--TRUCO 02:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • List of Houston Rockets first and second round draft picks begs to differ. There is no support for "The Draft" being a proper noun. "Sometimes the same word can function as both a common noun and a proper noun, where one such entity is special. For example the common noun god denotes all deities, while the proper noun God references the monotheistic God specifically." (from Noun)KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 12:48, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have used disambiguation to remove references to "the draft" for the sake of my own sanity and this argument. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 15:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The draft is Major League Baseball's primary mechanism for assigning amateur baseball players, from high schools, colleges, and other amateur baseball clubs, to its teams. -- IMO, this would be better formatted if the from high schools, colleges, and other amateur baseball clubs was in between emdashes, the excess of commas is daunting.
  • Actually, the commas were completely superfluous, but that was copied from the article on the draft. I removed them altogether. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 02:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 28 years later, third baseman (later left fielder) Pat Burrell (1998), pitchers Brett Myers (1999) and Cole Hamels (2002), and second baseman Chase Utley (2000) were all members of the team during the Phillies' 2008 World Series championship. -- Wouldn't the (later left fielder) be better stated as '(later a left fielder)'?
  • None of the other positions start with "a", so the addition would be unnecessary. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 02:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • These additional picks are provided when a team loses a particularly valuable free agent in the prior off-season,[2][6] or, more recently, if a team fails to sign a draft pick from the previous year. -- Remove the comma after or
  • More recently is an appositive phrase which needs to be separated by commas. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 02:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Four other supplementary picks have been awarded to the Phillies for the loss of free agents. Dave Coggin was the first, selected in 1995 with the 30th pick, which was provided for the loss of Danny Jackson. Adrian Cardenas was selected in 2006, Travis d'Arnaud was picked in 2007, and Zach Collier was taken in 2008, using picks awarded for the losses of free agents Billy Wagner, David Dellucci, and Aaron Rowand, respectively. -- Since the first sentence states the pick in which the player was selected, why doesn't the latter follow that format as well? Consistency is needed.
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  • My question is why isn't the table sortable? It would serve the reader better.--TRUCO 23:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The table was originally sortable; however, I encountered many problems with continuity, especially with the years that had no first round pick. The colspans ruin the sorting and, in my opinion, the visual appeal of the table per Cr.6 was both easier to maintain and served the purpose of the table more appropriately, rather than forcing it to work for Cr.4 while sacrificing appeal. Many other FLs are not sortable. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 02:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh okay, that's fine then.TRUCO 02:58, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Issues resolved to meet WP:WIAFL standards.--TRUCO 21:21, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from NatureBoyMD
Comments from NatureBoyMD (talk · contribs)
  • "13 of the 45 players came from high schools or universities..." - Numbers at the beginning of a sentence should be spelled out. (per WP:MOSNUM)
  • Same as above with "28 years later, third baseman (later left fielder) Pat Burrell (1998)..." -

NatureBoyMD (talk) 03:20, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Done both, one through spelling out (which I don't agree with because it's unnecessary to spell out forty-five, but MOSNUM is so contradictory that it's easier not to fight with it) and one through refactoring. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 12:44, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "while Texas and Florida follow,"-->and Texas and Florida follow,
  • Either is grammatically correct; trying to avoid duplicate "ands". The two states' numbers of picks also exist concurrently, strengthening the case for the use of "while". KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Eight first-round picks have gone on to win a championship with the Phillies."-->Eight first-round picks have won a championship with the Phillies.
  • "The Phillies have failed to sign their first-round pick only twice."
  • Jeff Jackson links to the wrong article.
  • On a more general note, why does this list only have the first-round draft picks? Dabomb87 (talk) 02:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because a comprehensive draft history would be impossibly long, between trades and the sometimes unending length of the MLB draft. Also, first-round picks, in many cases, are many times quite notable because of their "boom-or-bust" quality. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 04:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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