Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of One Piece video games/archive1
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The list was not promoted by User:Matthewedwards 03:15, 20 October 2008 [1].
Inspired by FL:List of Castlevania titles, I completely remade the list from it's pitiful former state. G.A.S of the WikiProject Anime and manga suggested, after I requested a reassessment, to nominate the list as featured candidate. It is my first nomination. -- Goodraise (talk) 19:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved issues from SRX
Oppose- does not meet WIAFL cr 1,2, or 5
- Lead
- This is a list of video games based on Eiichiro Oda's shonen manga and anime series One Piece mostly published by Bandai. - FL's are discouraged to begin with "This is a list of _____" Would be better as, "One Piece is a series of video games published by Bandai that are based on ...etc."
- Reworded to ''One Piece is a series of video games published by subsidiaries of Namco Bandai Holdings that are based on Eiichiro Oda's shonen manga and anime series of the same name. as simply dropping the "mostly" would make the sentence inaccurate. I'll consider this as done.
- The series made its video game debut in Japan July 19, 2000 with One Piece: Mezase Kaizoku Ou!. - is this also a magazine or another work? if not, no need to say "it's video game debut" would suffice with just "The series debuted in Japan on July 19, 2000 (notice that you did not put a "on" in your original sentence)
- Done. (also added "on")
- More than five years later with One Piece: Grand Battle! the first game was released outside of Japan on September 7, 2005. why is this notable?
- Removed. -> Done.
- The games take place in the fictional World of One Piece, and the stories revolve around the adventures of Monkey D. Luffy's Straw Hat Pirates. - is the setting a city, town, country or what (needs to be mentioned). Is Luffy the main character/protagonist?
- Switched the "W" in "World of One Piece" to lower case. The world of One Piece is literaly a "world", meaning an inhabited planet. I'll consider this as done for now.
- Pointed out, that they are the protagonists. -> Done.
- One Piece video games have been released on numerous different video game consoles, and handheld game consoles. - how about, "The One Piece series has been released on a variety of video game and handheld consoles." (Is handheld one word?)
- Games of the One Piece series have been released on a variety of video game and handheld consoles. I added a "Games of", as not to give the impression, that the whole series has been released on different consoles, but otherwise adopted your suggestion. It sounds better, but a naive reader might think video game actually led to video game. I'll keep it like this unless another editor disagrees. I'll consider this as done. (Handheld game console and Mobile device use it. Wiktionary also agrees.)
- The games come in various genres, but their majority are role-playing games, predominantly in the early years, and fighting games such as the titles of the Grand Battle! sub-series. - how about The games range in a variety of genres, but have been mostly role playing games during it's early years, while they have been fighting type games in it's sub-series release.
- I am hesitant to adapt this suggestion, as your wording implies that only the games in the Grand Battle! sub-series are fighting games, while that is not the case. That said, could you point out what speaks against leaving it as it is?
- While their "market is flooded with anime-themed games",[1] only a hand-full of the serie's titles have been released outside of Japan, where they have met mixed receptions, ranging from assessments such as "slightly below or slightly above average"[2] to being called "a grand video-game series". - who stated this quote?
- to being called "a grand video-game series".[3] Louis Bedigian, as is shown by [3]. Mistake on your part?
- I feel their should be more about the reception and why the game is popular, similar to other FLs such as List of Harvest Moon titles and List of WWE SmackDown video game titles.
- Not done. (Working on it.)
- This is a list of video games based on Eiichiro Oda's shonen manga and anime series One Piece mostly published by Bandai. - FL's are discouraged to begin with "This is a list of _____" Would be better as, "One Piece is a series of video games published by Bandai that are based on ...etc."
- List
- In the rest of the world this game's title is used for the game known in Japan as One Piece: Grand Battle! Rush (ONE PIECE グラバト! RUSH, One Piece Gurabato! Rush?). (see below) - "In the rest of the world" is Weasel talk, how about "In other countries, the game's title is used for ..etc."
- Done.
- In the UK this was a Virgin Megastores exclusive game and was on sale for a limited time only. - 1)Is UK linked above, if not a pipelink or link should go here and needs to be reworded to "Was a Virgin Megastores exclusive game in the UK and was on sale for limited time."
- Done.
- In the rest of the world this game's title is used for the game known in Japan as One Piece: Grand Battle! Rush (ONE PIECE グラバト! RUSH, One Piece Gurabato! Rush?). (see below) - "In the rest of the world" is Weasel talk, how about "In other countries, the game's title is used for ..etc."
- Notify for any questions or if issues are addressed.--SRX 20:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Addressed all but one issue. -- Goodraise (talk) 00:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I tried to do this, but came to realize, that Harvest Moon and SmackDown are series of rather similar games as well as being primarily video games series. The One Piece video game series on the other hand is only the third leg of the franchise. (First being the manga, second the anime.) The series' success is mostly based on the success of the anime and manga, which (as opposed to HM and SD) are also the only things all the series' games have in common. But that is a statement, which is hard to source and therefore borders to original research. To the point: seeing "addition of reception of series and popularity prose similar to List of Harvest Moon titles and List of WWE SmackDown video game titles" as being impossible, instead I added some more other reception prose. That, in combination with this explaination, is hopefully enough. -- Goodraise (talk) 14:23, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- What makes the following reliable sources?
- http://www.cheatcc.com/index.html
- http://www.videogametalk.com/
- Cheat Code Central and DVD Talk intuitively seem like reliable sources to me, given the topic of the list. As far as I can tell, in Wikipedia:Reliable source examples they are both rather in the middle, neither being ruled out, nor supported. DVD Talk is mentioned in a Washington Post and a Star Tribune article, CCC in a New York Times essay. So at least they are not completely unknown.
- Per the MOS, link titles in the references shouldn't be in all capitals even when the original is.
- Changed the ones with only roman letters. Should I change titles like "ONEPIECE グラバト! RUSH" too?
- Otherwise sources look good, links checked out with the link checker tool. Not that I was not able to evaluate the non-English sources. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why the ISO dates in the table? Tony (talk) 10:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- FL:List of Castlevania titles uses them where possible. Should another format be used? -- Goodraise (talk) 18:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- They should probably be written out to improve readability, and also to reduce confusion. By the way, there is nothing stopping you from changing the dates in the List of Castlevania titles as well. Since February (the list's promotion), style guidelines and general consensus over dates have changed dramatically. As an aside, date linking is deprecated by the MOS. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. (Though I left List of Castlevania titles alone for now.) -- Goodraise (talk) 02:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- They should probably be written out to improve readability, and also to reduce confusion. By the way, there is nothing stopping you from changing the dates in the List of Castlevania titles as well. Since February (the list's promotion), style guidelines and general consensus over dates have changed dramatically. As an aside, date linking is deprecated by the MOS. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- FL:List of Castlevania titles uses them where possible. Should another format be used? -- Goodraise (talk) 18:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- "that are based on Eiichiro Oda's" – "based on Eiichiro Oda's"
- Done. (Note that I added "that are" on the suggestion of SRX. (see above))
- "serie's" – "series'"
- Done.
- "have met mixed receptions" – "have been met with mixed reception"
- Done.
- The lead can definitely be expanded on the games. There must be more to know about the games as a whole.
Not (yet) done.- Done. (Well, the reception part now makes up more than 50% of the lead. That ought to be enough.)
Gary King (talk) 21:15, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- -- Goodraise (talk) 02:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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