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List of Nepalese kings edit

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Nominator(s): ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 07:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is about kings of Nepal who ruled from 1743 to its dissolution in 2008. 2008 was pretty recent, yeah. The civil war was a scary time to be part of. Crazy stories to listen to as well. Like, the communist would come to your house and take away your children or anyone to fight in the war. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 07:00, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:47, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
;Initial comments
  • "Shah died on 11 January 1775 after ruling over 31 years" => "Shah died on 11 January 1775 after ruling for over 31 years"
  • "by end of his reign" => "by the end of his reign"
  • "his son Pratap Singh Shah was coordinated as the king" - really don't think "coordinated" is the right word here. I would just say "appointed king"
  • "Pratap Singh was not very active in the unification campaign led by his father rather he was peaceful" - needs a comma before rather
  • "He died prematurely at the age of 26 in 1777, the same day his young son" => "He died prematurely at the age of 26 in 1777; on the same day his young son"
  • "with regencies of his mother, Queen Rajendra of Nepal, and then of his uncle, Bahadur Shah." => "with his mother, Queen Rajendra of Nepal, and later his uncle, Bahadur Shah, as regent."
  • "The king married Maithili Brahman widow, Kantavati Jha" - no need for that comma
  • He married her by taking an oath? Is that right?
  • So simply the fact that he took that particular oath meant that they were now married...? Just trying to work out if the wording needs changing slightly...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:12, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    ChrisTheDude, Yea, they got married after taking an oath to make their child the king even though he had children before marrying her. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Upon Girvan Yuddha Bikram Shah was born" => "Upon Girvan Yuddha Bikram Shah being born"
  • "During the reign of Girvan, Anglo-Nepalese War broke out" => "During the reign of Girvan, the Anglo-Nepalese War broke out"
  • "which resulted in Nepal losing 1/3 of its territory" => "which resulted in Nepal losing a third of its territory"
  • Got to drop off now, will look at more later -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:05, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Further comments
  • "with under the regency of his step-grandmother" => "under the regency of his step-grandmother"
  • "Surendra's grandson Prithvi Bir Bikram Shah became the king, he did not have many powers like his grandfather" => "Surendra's grandson Prithvi Bir Bikram Shah became the king, but like his grandfather he did not have many powers"
  • "Tribhuvan went to exile" => "Tribhuvan went into exile"
  • "in response by Rana, grandson of Tribhuvan, Gyanendra, was named the new king of Nepal" - this should be a separate sentence and also re-arranged to "in response Gyanendra, grandson of Tribhuvan, was named the new king of Nepal by Rana". Also, who is the Rana mentioned here? It's not clear.
  • "Upon his death, Mahendra was coordinated as the king" - again, "coordinated" is not an appropriate word here. Also, I would change "upon his death" to "upon Tribhuvan's death", as currently it reads as if Mahendra became king upon his own death :-)
  • The caption should start "From left to right, top to bottom"
  • Also, change part b to "Girvan Yuddha Bikram Shah, during whose reign the British attacked Nepal and forced him to sign the Treaty of Sugauli, which defined the present-day borders"
  • In note b, the word "officially" is spelt incorrectly
  • Think that's it from me -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:48, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from ~ HAL333 12:09, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • The first two notes need periods.
  • All is not needed in the first sentence.
  • Could you fix the image for Pratap Singh Shah? It seems to be have had its proportions changed on top of being washed out.
  • Gyanendra Bir Bikram Shah's image is also washed out.

Overall, a very well composed article. I found it very interesting. Well done! ~ HAL333 00:41, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you HAL333 for the comments! I believe I have addressed all of them. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 06:45, 1 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Drive-by comments from Sdkb edit

  • I don't like having the collage be a single file, as it prevents you from seeing any one of the images full-sized when you click on it and requires you to read the full caption to find out the name of the person you clicked on. I'd suggest switching to {{Multiple image}} or {{Image array}}. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The lead is seven substantial paragraphs, which goes beyond the four suggested by MOS:LEAD. I'd suggest moving much of the discussion on individual kings to the notes column, or just leaving it for King of Nepal. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The six-year increments starting from 1743 on the timeline are not great, plus there's shorter marks that appear add more odd intervals. I'd suggest converting to 10-year increments, and also considering suppressing on mobile via {{If mobile}}. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:04, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, and one more: it might be good to include the chronological number of each king if that's something people sometimes mention. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 04:35, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you Sdkb for the comments! I believe I have addressed all of them except for the last one because Template:Succession table monarch does not support it. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 18:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      Okay, so I'm afraid I have good news, bad news, and ugly news.
      First, the good: clicking through to some of the shahs, they tend to start with "was king of Nepal from X to Y" rather than "was the Xth king of Nepal", so it seems the ordinal probably isn't that important and we don't need to bother adding it to the template.
      The bad: Regarding the lead, though, it looks like you've mainly just taken out paragraph breaks, so it still looks overlong to me (the four paragraph target from MOS:LEAD is really just a proxy for length). My view on this might be unorthodox, in which case I won't stand in the way, but I feel that the lead of list pages like this one should be reserved for explaining a quick overview of the topic itself (i.e. what it means to be king of Nepal), not going through a chronology of all the most significant examples. That would be better done in the notes section, where it can be placed alongside the dates/photo/etc., or at King of Nepal, where it can be discussed narratively. If you opt to keep the info here, that'll essentially negate the purpose of King of Nepal, so you might want to consider redirecting that page to here, unless there's so much to say about the position itself that it can't be summarized in the lead.
      The ugly: Actually, looking into it a bit, there's a significant forking problem here. List of heads of state of Nepal exists, which has a scope that's 90% just a duplicate of this page. I realize that there's technically nothing in the criteria that requires you to address this, but it presents a significant WP:ENDURE problem by splitting future editor effort, so I would strongly suggest doing so. Your best option is probably to merge this page to that one, which would mean mainly just getting the listings of the two presidents up to par. Alternatively, you could transclude the table from this page to that one. On a related note, neither {{Nepal topics}} nor {{Heads of State of Nepal}} appears to link here currently. I'd suggest adding the former to this page, and adding the latter if this page isn't merged to include the presidents. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 21:21, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sdkb, List of heads of state of Nepal should be renamed to List of presidents of Nepal or be merged to President of Nepal. There seems to be forking problem with every page that begins with List of heads of state of [insert country here], some examples, List of heads of state of Germany, List of heads of state of Spain, List of heads of state of Romania etc. The article should be about present Nepal no the Kingdom. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 16:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I just realized that List of heads of state of Nepal has existed for many years, with the incoming links to show for it, whereas you only created this page last month. That makes me much more comfortable asking you to resolve the forking, since you created it. When there are forks, we generally keep the older, more established page. It also seems the most logical scope would include the presidents, since there are only three of them, so they shouldn't have their own list yet. Given both of those things, I think that this page should be redirected there and that page should be the one you take to FL status. That really shouldn't be as much work as it sounds, since you'll only have three more entries to fix up, but I unfortunately cannot support this until that happens. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 20:50, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from Giants2008 (Talk) 22:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Quick comments –
  • I've never been a fan of including "List of" in section headings of list articles, as it winds up quite redundant. "Monarchs" would work fine as a heading on its own.
Giants2008, This list is a subpage of King of Nepal. Just like President of the United States, and List of presidents of the United States. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 16:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My comment wasn't meant to refer to the article title itself. That is just fine. I was talking about the section heading right above the table itself. That is what can be shortened, not the actual title of the page. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:31, 21 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Giants2008, Oh! Done. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 12:27, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The notes could use cites.
  • Note 2: "in 24 February 1975" should be "on 24 February 1975". Giants2008 (Talk) 23:36, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Giants2008 for the comments! I believe that I have addressed all of them. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 18:09, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The table duplicates Kingdom_of_Nepal#Kings_of_Nepal_(1768–2008), so this may fail criterion 3c. The table of prime ministers duplicates List of prime ministers of Nepal so perhaps it should all be removed. This also duplicates List_of_heads_of_state_of_Nepal#Kingdom_of_Nepal_(1768–2008).
  • The corresponding article is King of Nepal, so shouldn't this be List of kings of Nepal? Merging these two pages would be ideal to consolidate information for readers since the former is short and somewhat duplicative.
  • There shouldn't be a Family column when every entry is the same (and Shah is part of their names).
  • The Notes column doesn't contain notes, it contains the claim for succession. Is there other information about the kings that may also be worth noting? Otherwise you should use precise headers.
  • The use of multiple sources in both lifespan and reign end seems bit cluttered.
  • With that, are there any general sources that cover several or all of the kings? It seems a little weird that one source is "The Role of Renewable Energy Technology in Holistic Community Development" and that there isn't something broader or more official.
  • The cropped image for Pratap Singh Shah is a bit streched and lower quality: the original at List of heads of state of Nepal seems much better (as do many of the other portraits there, especially for Rajendra Bikram Shah).
  • I'm not sure "dissolution" is the best word for the first sentence since it wasn't split into smaller parts. Abolition or replacement would be better.

Reywas92Talk 01:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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