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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 14:29, 5 July 2009 [1].

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List of Maryland Terrapins football honorees

Nominator(s): Strikehold (talk) 15:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

• Featured list candidates/List of Maryland Terrapins football honorees/archive1

I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets the criteria. Strikehold (talk) 15:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

• Support – looks good to me, very informative, useful and accessible. That's quite a compliment, as I know absolutely nothing about either American football or the Terrapins. Cliftonian (Talk • Contibs) 17:14, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comment - Got two questions. Why is the All-Americans table aligned center? And is there a reason why the tables are not sortable?—Chris! _ct 23:00, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Not really. Is that better? I nested the key and All-Americans table inside an invisible table and aligned the table to the left margin and centered the key above it.
• For consistency and appearance mainly. The All-ACC table is really long, and would make scrolling a pain, so I cut it into thirds. Making it sortable like that would defeat the purpose of sorting (if that makes sense). Ditto the UM Hall of Fame table. Strikehold (talk) 23:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Ok, I see what you mean. I am closed to be able to support, though I would like other more experienced reviewers to look at the prose before supporting.—Chris! _ct 00:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• Support - —Chris! _ct 01:28, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

• Support — I was asked to do a pre-FLC review and copy edit, which I performed. Even with that, I didn't find very much to fix. It's a clean and clear list that simply looks nice. JKBrooks85 (talk) 23:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Comment – During a review I did before this came to FLC, I noticed two photos that were licensed as in the public domain, but no evidence existed on the images' pages that they were published before 1923, as stated. Has an effort been made to research this further? Giants2008 (17-14) 21:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

• For everyone's awareness, Giants2008 is referring to the lead image (Maryland/Johns Hopkins) and the last image (Curley Byrd). Both were without a doubt produced before 1923, but there is a question as to whether they were actually published before then. The source (Univ. of Maryland library system) is not clear on that point. I replaced the lead image with one that was published in 1915, and am looking for a suitable replacement for the Curley Byrd image. I might also send an e-mail to the Univ. of Maryland to see if they can shed light on the publication dates for the two images in question. Strikehold (talk) 16:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

• Still haven't found a definitive answer to this, so I removed the picture. I believe this addresses the image issue. Strikehold (talk) 07:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Support, all issues resolved. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolved issues, Dabomb87 (talk)

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs) "and it has participated in the sport " Alright I changed that. "During periods of both ascendancy and mediocrity, individual Maryland players of exceptional ability have received various accolades." The first phrase "During ... mediocrity" and "of exceptional ability" seem superfluous to me. The first is irrelevant, and the second seems obvious; players with ordinary abilities probably wouldn't win the award. I don't think it's superfluous, because it is seemingly contradictory. One would expect great teams' players to get awards and honors, but not necessarily ones on poorly performing teams. As shown in the list, they've had players get these even when the teams were bad (e.g. Dick Shiner in the 1960s and LaMont Jordan in the 1990s). "Terrapins have won several prestigious individual awards, including the Chuck Bednarik Award, the Dick Butkus Award, the Lombardi Award, and the Outland Trophy, each of which recognizes the best player at a particular position in a given season. " What makes the awards "prestigious"? How about nationally recognized? I don't know, do you have a suggested change? "nationally recognized" works for me. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC) Okay, replaced. "Over time, the sources used to determine the consensus selections have varied." I've slightly retooled that and the following sentence based on the comment below, but that word is still necessary for clarity's sake in my opinion. It indicates that it has been a gradual progression of selectors being recognized and un-recognized by the NCAA. "Currently, the NCAA uses five selectors " "Currently" is a dated word. If the number changes often, you may want to use {{as of}}. I used that since I didn't know what year they started using those five. I've found that information and added it. "In 1923, end Bill Supplee was selected" Link to end? Okay, linked. "which made him the first, and thus far only, Maryland player to receive the honor twice."-->which made him the only Maryland player to receive the honor twice thus far. Suggested change is awkward in my opinion. "and twelve Terrapins received All-Southern Conference honors a total of fourteen times." "twelve"--12 and "fourteen"-->14 per WP:MOSNUM WP:MOSNUM: "numbers greater than nine are commonly rendered in numerals, or may be rendered in words if they are expressed in one or two words (16 or sixteen, 84 or eighty-four, 200 or two hundred, but 3.75, 544, 21 million". I changed to make this usage uniform. "second or third teams an additional sixty times"-->second or third teams an additional 60 times Ditto. "then-school record "-->then-school-record Hmm, now that I think about it, I'm not certain that anything should be hyphenated here actually. I've avoided the problem by changing to "a school-record six...", since it is clear in the next sentence that that record did not stand. The "All Conference honorees" table has "References" at the bottom but only provides one reference. Changed to singular. "Comparatively speaking, Maryland's" I've never heard the word used like that, so I changed to "By comparison" "eight different organizations" Changed. "At 5 ft 9 in (1.75 m)" Primary units (feet and inches here) should be spelled out in full on their first appearance. Expanded. "who had led Maryland to a school-record 22-game winning streak and an upset victory in the 1952 "Game of the Century"." You might mention the team Maryland played against in the Game of the Century. Changed. "and he coached Maryland for two" The ideas here seem separate enough to warrant independent clauses to me. "With a loss in the 1977 Cotton Bowl, Maryland narrowly missed an opportunity for the national championship." "With" is usually a poor connector, and this case is no exception, as it connects the clauses poorly. Try "Because they lost the 1977 Cotton Bowl [to team], Maryland narrowly missed an opportunity for the national championship." Reworded that. "Additionally, since 1982" "Additionally" is not necessary. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC) I've removed it.

Sources look good. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

• Support – I gave this a pre-FLC review, and it looked like a very strong list even then. The FLC process has strengthened it further. There was one New York Times reference without an access date, but I added one myself to expedite my support. Giants2008 (17-14) 18:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

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